sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
No it's the idea of this group of old bad capitalists wanting to see Turkey indebted/in trouble to get money off it, but other capitalists help Turkey grow and develop.
Gezi Park - Istanbul
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No it's the idea of this group of old bad capitalists wanting to see Turkey indebted/in trouble to get money off it, but other capitalists help Turkey grow and develop.
TitanSound
Mr Beardy Drummer
Ankara is kicking off at the moment. About 5 or 6 water cannons, jeeps firing tear gas, loads of coppers with riot gear.
http://video.cnnturk.com/2013/haber/6/8/ankarada-on-binlere-gaz-ve-toma-ile-mudahale
http://video.cnnturk.com/2013/haber/6/8/ankarada-on-binlere-gaz-ve-toma-ile-mudahale
miss direct
misfungled
I've stayed away from Taksim since I heard about the foreigners being arrested (and possibly deported). I've heard that the weekend will be quiet there but things could possibly kick off on Monday. Today loads of Fenerbahce fans made their way to the square.
I'm off to Izmir in the next few days. Will see what's going on there!
I'm off to Izmir in the next few days. Will see what's going on there!
miss direct
misfungled
Oh wonderful.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
A group of people in a working-class neighbourhood in Adana attacked by people shouting 'We are AKP soldiers'.
Ankara despite the best efforts of taxi drivers blocking the routes (for police) in slow moving convoys being cleared by the big riot vans.
Associated Press Belgium reporter is in Gazi Mahallesi apparently is shocked by the sudden onslaught of police vans without warning.
People mostly cleared off streets.
Ankara despite the best efforts of taxi drivers blocking the routes (for police) in slow moving convoys being cleared by the big riot vans.
Associated Press Belgium reporter is in Gazi Mahallesi apparently is shocked by the sudden onslaught of police vans without warning.
People mostly cleared off streets.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What steps have you taken to corroborate?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What info? That some people said it somewhere else? Are you serious? Posting up comments from the guardian boards as news? I ask again what steps have you taken to corroborate? None?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What info?
mack
Fact Me Till I Fart
Miss Direct, apparently this is Izmir tonight..
De-bunked .. a celebration photo from a festival.
Anyway.. stay safe Miss D, any info you can provide about Izmir would be very welcome, we'll be flying in there in week after next.
eta - actually that picture is genuine..another one..
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Breathtaking video from the protests yesterday in Istanbul which were absolutely massive.
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
miss direct
misfungled
Not in Istanbul. They had been encouraged to stay at home. However, on the 16th I believe, there is going to be a massive rally in Zeyntinburnu (conservative neighbourhood, thankfully nowhere near Taksim).
miss direct
misfungled
I'd be very impressed if they could march that far. So, basically, no...although last weekend I heard of people marching all the way from the Asian side over the bridge and up to Taksim.
TitanSound
Mr Beardy Drummer
Gf informed me yesterday that she's going to Istanbul on Wednesday for a few days. I understand why, she lived there for five years and identifies with her Turkish heritage to a huge degree. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't nervous about it though.
miss direct
misfungled
Last night a leader of Besiktas fans was stabbed in the park, allegedly by guys selling beer. He was trying to persuade them to leave.
As well as guys selling beer out of boxes, there are also people selling paint spray cans. Really not helping the cause or perception of the protesters.
As well as guys selling beer out of boxes, there are also people selling paint spray cans. Really not helping the cause or perception of the protesters.
That ıs complete and utter bollocks.
I just got back from Taksım, and the fırst thıng you notıce there ıs the sheer varıety of the protestors. That's why they keep on fıghtıng among themselves.
The Kemalısts are naturally ın the majorıty, but they're not a monotone groupıng eıther.
In fact, I'm startıng to rethınk my predıctıon that this will all be over shortly. It seems that a faır number of AK Party voters feel betrayed by the government, who've broken numerous electıon promıses, especıally to the farmers.
The demonstratıons on the Asıan sıde last nıght were the bıggest ın over a week. And the occupatıons are spreadıng rapıdly throughout the country. The USA ıs reportedly gettıng sıck of Erdogan, who has already pıssed them off by hıs outspoken antı-Zıonsım.
There ıs a possıbılıty that Erdogan may be pressured ınto callıng an early electıon thıs summer. My money would stıll be on hım wınnıng ıt, but that's by no means a foregone conclusıon.
At the moment everyone's worryıng about the rally on the 16th, whıch has the potentıal to turn very nasty ındeed. I'm not sure what I'm goıng to do that day yet.
In the demonstratıons I've been on, sprayıng graffıtı and drınkıng beer have been ımportant parts of the statement.
Thıs dıspute ıs about lıfestyle as much as about polıtıcs, and alcohol ıs at the center of ıt. Beer ıs already taxed beyond the reach of workıng-class Turks, and many of them are quıte naturally furıous about ıt.
But ıt could well move on Taksım. It really depends on how Erdogan wants to play ıt. If he wants to, he could tell hıs supporters to clear the streets of protestors, and then thıngs would really get ugly.
I'm not sure what I'll do ıf ıt does. Thıs ısn't really my country, but my frıends and famıly wıll be out fıghtıng ıf ıt comes to that, so I suppose I'll have to joın them. Bugger.
mack
Fact Me Till I Fart
Neither side will back down - Erdogan has the numerical advantage, the protesters if they back down will see even further restrictions/interference in their daily lives. My g/f says it's going to be strange if not impossible trying to enjoy a holiday laying on the beach whilst her country is tearing itself apart.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
I didn't say that the Kemalists were monotonous, but there have been now three attacks - all one way - (admittedly, hard) Kemalists on BDP and Ocalan flag wavers - a sign of their confidence. The Taksim anti-gentrification movement has downgraded its demands, under CHP pressure apparently I can't verify.
What's happened is some left groups partizan, cephe, halkin gunlugu have reduced their presence in numbers from Taksim now that the Square is 'won' ie clear of police.
The Kemalists perhaps without Kemal flags - liberals if you like - are doing the running there - basically having a nice festival atmosphere there while other parts of the city are still being attacked with pressurised water. Kemalism is a wide thing - contains liberalism and charity and concern about stock market figures all within it.
I don't see any chance of an early election - given that the AKP met and decided against any such thing over the weekend but instead to do counter-rallies.
It might become like in Bangladesh or Ukraine or Lebanon with one series of pro-government mass rallies followed by further turnouts for the anti-government ones.
In other news nurses and porters in Kocaeli hospitals won a lightning strike over the weekend.
What's happened is some left groups partizan, cephe, halkin gunlugu have reduced their presence in numbers from Taksim now that the Square is 'won' ie clear of police.
The Kemalists perhaps without Kemal flags - liberals if you like - are doing the running there - basically having a nice festival atmosphere there while other parts of the city are still being attacked with pressurised water. Kemalism is a wide thing - contains liberalism and charity and concern about stock market figures all within it.
I don't see any chance of an early election - given that the AKP met and decided against any such thing over the weekend but instead to do counter-rallies.
It might become like in Bangladesh or Ukraine or Lebanon with one series of pro-government mass rallies followed by further turnouts for the anti-government ones.
In other news nurses and porters in Kocaeli hospitals won a lightning strike over the weekend.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
On alcohol.
Tomorrow is when President Gul decides on the alcohol restrictions and whether to return to Parliament. Returning to Parliament used to be a common thing in the pre-2007 era, it's very rare now does anyone know when the last time it was done?
Tomorrow is when President Gul decides on the alcohol restrictions and whether to return to Parliament. Returning to Parliament used to be a common thing in the pre-2007 era, it's very rare now does anyone know when the last time it was done?
It depends how many of them there are, how up for ıt they are, and whether they're armed.
But the short answer ıs: Yes they could.
Sure, a huge range of opınıon ın Turkey--ıncludıng most AKP supporters--would call themselves Kemalıst. All the non-communıst Leftısts I know are quıte happy to wave Ataturk flags. But they certaınly won't take orders from the CHP, and I doubt the party has any control over the sıtuatıon on the ground.
The radıcal groups may have left Taksım for now, but that doesn't mean they're gıvıng up. On the contrary, they're presumably gettıng up to more subversıve stuff than the people at the Square, whıch as you say ıs basıcally lıke Glastonbury at the moment.
The fact that they had a meetıng about ıt ıs sıgnıfıcant enough. They must be consıderıng ıt. Counter-rallıes ıs a very rısky strategy for them, though they've presumably decıded that an electıon would be even more rısky.
It could get a lot worse than that. I see no lımıt to how bad ıt could get. Not that I thınk large-scale dısorder ıs lıkely, but ıt's defınıtely a possıbılıty now.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
The meeting was the normal monthly meeting the AKP leadership council has. It was not a special emergency meeting.
No of course they are not giving up their members are prominent amongst the thousands who have been arrested in total and so they want to press the demand for amnesty and wipe-clean for these events.
No of course they are not giving up their members are prominent amongst the thousands who have been arrested in total and so they want to press the demand for amnesty and wipe-clean for these events.
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