Gerry Adams exposed , his lies demolished at brothers rape trial
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Casually Red
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Ive completely failed to see that from any group at all, in fact it simply hasnt happened, its a complete fiction. What I have certainly seen is Adams use that single aspect of a much wider contradiction of his narrative as a basis to attack all his republican opponents, on the basis a mere handful of them unaligned to any group and with zero leadership or political spokesperson role participated in that history project. And him then proclaim it a massive plot between the dissidents and the securocrats.
Its how Adams has portrayed events, nothing more. That cynical portrayal has nothing at all to do with the truth.
Casually Red
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and managing in the process to inadvertantly give Adams the basis with which to silence critics on numerous sides within and without the Irish establishment,energise his activists and massively boost his profile to his ill concealed satisfaction, just prior to an election. While simultaneously destroying a historical project that was puting his legacy and narrative in a very unfavourable light.
All at one fell swoop, completely accidentally.
And then coming along with the cherry on the cake and announcing yet another credible fake threat to his life.
Joe Reilly
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this was the go fuck yourself moment in Ardoyne.
you can see a brief excerpt of the conforntation on video here
http://lockerz.com/u/20723798/decalz/8182429/utv_catch_up_on_utv_live_on_the_utv_pl
Storeys days of intimidating the youth in republican districts are long over .[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE="Casually Red, post:[/QUOTE]
Sort of sums it up all right. What dissidents think they see here, is young idealist facing down a British collaborator. For the overwhelming majority of nationalists it's a republican veteran of impeccable CV (fire-fights, bank robberies, 20 year jail terms, prison break-outs etc) being disrespected by a self-aggrandizing young gobshite who they suspect struggles to get out of bed before 4 in the afternoon.
Not convinced either way? Then ask yourself this question. Who you would honestly want to have your back?
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likesfish
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Boston college has distanced itself from the tapes
http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2014/may/08/gerryadams-boston
Claiming they knew nothing until the truly moronic book was published.
http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2014/may/08/gerryadams-boston
Claiming they knew nothing until the truly moronic book was published.
Pickman's model
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didn't similar scenes play out round about the time of the founding of the provisionals? if it was a choice back then between the aging cathal goulding, with his impeccable republican pedigree, or the young gerry adams, the young idealist, then i think many people here would have gone with adams and the provisionals. however, we're now forty plus years down the line and a lot of things adams and so on assured people would never happen have happened. perhaps the auld dogs have had their day and youth should have its fling.
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this was the go fuck yourself moment in Ardoyne.
you can see a brief excerpt of the conforntation on video here
http://lockerz.com/u/20723798/decalz/8182429/utv_catch_up_on_utv_live_on_the_utv_pl
Storeys days of intimidating the youth in republican districts are long over .
[QUOTE="Casually Red, post:[/QUOTE]
Sort of sums it up all right. What dissidents think they see here, is young idealist facing down a British collaborator. For the overwhelming majority of nationalists it's a republican veteran of impeccable CV (fire-fights, bank robberies, 20 year jail terms, prison break-outs etc) being disrespected by a self-aggrandizing young gobshite who they suspect struggles to get out of bed before 4 in the afternoon.
Not convinced either way? Then ask yourself this question. Who you would honestly want to have your back?[/QUOTE]
The Republican movement has always placed a huge emphasis on historical legitimacy, and what group "owns" the narrative of the struggle. Adams referal to the like of Hughes and Price in the bbc programme as "individuals" with an axe to grid, is more attempts to control the narrative, as was SF/Adams behavior durning Hughes funeral. To continue on their current trajectory relies alot on owning the past.
The video above is neither a young republican idealist facing down the old guard, nor a mindless hood who has no respect for those who were at the coal face of the struggle, its a example of what happens when the provos loose a grip of the narrative, which they have being to small but growing extents over the last few years, and will only increase. How is Adams going to square the circle of the backing a police force with a dark anti-republican cabal at its centre? Even without mad conspiracy theories of who's an agent and for how long, where is there to go for SF? Certainly more seats in the Dail, but how wrong was O'Bradaigh in the 86 video posted above, "They've in from the cold, we got them where we want them"?
Joe Reilly
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I think everyone might have been considerably less impressed if Adams had seen off Goulding with a wanking gesture. But more seriously, the fact is 'you can never step in the same river twice' as the old saying goes. Which means that for better or worse conditions on the ground are forever altered. Bobby Storey was driven out of his home by loyalist pogroms on three occasions by the time he was 16. Friends and neighbours being blown up In McGurks Bar was for him a tipping point. So, like hundreds, possibly thousands of others, he joined up out of need for self-defence first of all. The ideological grounding came much later, often in jail. Soldier first, political activist later. Quite simply there is no basis for recruitment on that basis for at least twenty years. So if 'youth is to have it's fling' it will have to be in the circumstances of today not that of 40 years ago.
Have a fling by all means, but do what?
Joe Reilly
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Even without mad conspiracy theories of who's an agent and for how long, where is there to go for SF? Certainly more seats in the Dail, but how wrong was O'Bradaigh in the 86 video posted above, "They've in from the cold, we got them where we want them"?[/QUOTE]
Where is there to go for SF? Straightforward really. Government North and South is the interim objective. What would that deliver? One it would establish SF indisputably as an all Ireland party. And the only one.
The resulting symbolism, even on it's own, would not be insignificant.
An obvious more or less immediate consequence would be to see-off more or less entirely the partitionist SDLP, opening up the possibility of SF becoming the best supported party in the Six Counties.
This in turn would would be to pose an ever increasing question against the 'reason for being' of an already backs to the wall Unionism.
With Republicans in government on either side, the border would become ever more of an abstract.And with a border looking more and more anachronistic, Britain's continuing interest in what, let's not forget, is a foreign country would inevitably start to move up the national agenda.
It is true of course that events don't to have to pan out in the desired order from a SF point of view; or even with all the pieces in place they mess up as they have done in the recent past, but at the same time the pathway to their medium and long term goals are achievable. Or given time even inevitable. Now none of it has the smell of cordite of course and it may appear too mundane for some, but that only poses a question against the value placed of sovereignty itself.
Ultimately it isn't a question of 'where is there to go for SF' but more about what it's opponents north and south are prepared to do to stop them getting there?
Pickman's model
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yeh. but your scenario requires, for success, more than a fleeting experience of government in the 6 and the 26. and the way things are arranged in the 6, it is unlikely that one party will utterly dominate stormont.
Joe Reilly
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True enough, but for the other aspects to come into play it might be sufficient that SF merely look capable of doing so.
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Casually Red
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this was the go fuck yourself moment in Ardoyne.
you can see a brief excerpt of the conforntation on video here
http://lockerz.com/u/20723798/decalz/8182429/utv_catch_up_on_utv_live_on_the_utv_pl
Storeys days of intimidating the youth in republican districts are long over .
[QUOTE="Casually Red, post:[/QUOTE]
Sort of sums it up all right. What dissidents think they see here, is young idealist facing down a British collaborator. For the overwhelming majority of nationalists it's a republican veteran of impeccable CV (fire-fights, bank robberies, 20 year jail terms, prison break-outs etc) being disrespected by a self-aggrandizing young gobshite who they suspect struggles to get out of bed before 4 in the afternoon.
Not convinced either way? Then ask yourself this question. Who you would honestly want to have your back?[/QUOTE]
Storey has the states back, i wouldnt want him anywhere near mine. Thats well and truly on his cv now. And it was him who went there to face the youth of Ardoyne down. They didnt ask him to go there . Id suggest if mr storey wanted some respect then he should have shown some instead of standing in the street shouting the odds . And coming out with nonsense such as demanding to know why rioters were wearing masks..ffs...while not remotely oblivious to the hundreds of balaclavad British forces those youths were up against and Mr Storey is pledged to support .
Why wasnt he shouting at the British police to take their blaclavas off ? Because he had their backs.
Casually Red
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it also requires a massive suspension of disbelief, such as partition somehow being anachronistic as opposed to legitimised, normalised and very real. Along with the unionist veto . A party which upholds these British state constructs both sides of the border is simply upholding the partitionist frameworks, the constitutional apparatus of partition both sides of the border. A party which has accepted Irish sovereignty is not being violated by partition and British rule, which accepts the British presence and the unionist veto as legitimate in return for parity of esteem. Nothing more.
It makes no difference whether its SF, FF or FG in power in the south. Theyre all tied to the same treaty, theyve all conceded the Irish nations right to sovereignty , the unfettered right of the Irish people to the ownership of Ireland, and accepted the legitimacy of British sovereignty in its stead.
As theyre fond of telling others, they cant cherry pick. Theyre tied into those constitutional arrangements. And tied in on the basis they cant challenge them. They cant assert any challenge to the legitimacy of partition no matter what . So nothing changes, only the faces of the crew upholding the status quo.
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Casually Red
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oh dear, ..oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear
perhaps the great leader,.... whos currently and rather oddly unavailale for comment given hes been commenting like fuck every chance he gets for the past few weeks...can clarify whether this was the dark side of the PSNI giving him a helping hand prior to his brothers trial or the good side . Itd be interesting to know .
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...r-liams-case-before-trial-claim-30271996.html
perhaps the great leader,.... whos currently and rather oddly unavailale for comment given hes been commenting like fuck every chance he gets for the past few weeks...can clarify whether this was the dark side of the PSNI giving him a helping hand prior to his brothers trial or the good side . Itd be interesting to know .
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...r-liams-case-before-trial-claim-30271996.html
Joe Reilly
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Formally, that is indeed the position. But such things are never about numbers. It is more about the process. And the process is proceeding in only one direction. SF ministers north and south would likely prove to be the death knell for unionism as a political entity, precipitating a collapse in morale on that side on a grand scale. For with it would come the recognition that really there is no point in 'keeping calm and carrying on'. That finally, the jig really is up.
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Casually Red
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Casually Red
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Lets be clear here . What Adams..and Joe Reilly and a few other madmen on here goes a lot further than that . Its a dark side of the PSNI thats anti peace process and up to its neck in collusion with the dissident republicans . Thats what theyre claiming .
well it looks like hes got a few circles to square now. Firstly his sister in law has turned on him in what looks like annoyance at his grandstanding over his fake arrest . So now we have Adams and the PSNI both being investigated over allegations that Adams was coached by the PSNI at least twice prior to his brothers trial . And the transcript of his brothers trial I posted at the beginning of this thread certainly alludes to the PSNI coaching him in his statements.
MS MCDERMOTT:
Now you recall,no doubt, coming to this Court on last Thursday ?
A Yes
.
Q And it was your expectation, was it not, that you were going to be giving evidence that
day?
A Yes
.
Q And there were particular matters of clarification which you were asked to address
weren’t there?
A Well I was...I was advised that the Court was looking clarification. I was also advised that elements of my statement could not be dealt with.
Q Beg your pardon?
A I was advised that elements of my statement could not be dealt with, and that there was
some other matters needed clarification
.
Q Yes. And when you came to court on last Thursday morning, were you accompanied by
your solicitor?
A Yes
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Q So you met him here, and were you accompanied by a Sinn Fein Press Officer?
A I was accompanied by an assistant who works with me
.
Q Is that Mr McAuley?
A Yes
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Q.Mr Richard McAuley?
A Yes
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Q So you met him here, and were you accompanied by a Sinn Fein Press Officer?
A I was accompanied by an assistant who works with me
.
Q Is that Mr McAuley?
A.Yes
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Q Mr Richard McAuley?
A Yes
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QAnd is he a Sinn Fein Press Officer?
A
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No, he’s not. He’s a Personal Assistant
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Q A personal assistant. And is he sometimes your spokesman?
A Occasionally; yes.
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And were you asked in the morning of Thursday to clarify by way of making a further
statement, three things about the admission which you allege your
brother made to you? Do you remember being asked that? I think there were three, there were three things read out to you in a note. That may have been in the afternoon. But do you recall your mind being directed to the issue of what it was your brother was alleged (by you) to have said? Do you remember being asked about that in the morning
(TO THE WITNESS): I want to direct you specifically, Mr Adams, to last Thursday afternoon,
at about half past 2.00. Now do you recall, at that time, being asked by police to clarify, in
statement form, what it was your brother was alleged (by you) to have said to you ...
THE WITNESS
: So the....when the police officer come back looking for yet another statement and, remember, quite rightly I wasn’t in here, so I didn’t know what all this was about, and I had give what I considered to be a full account. So I was a bit nonplused, I have to say, and when I was asked to do it yet again.but if I may recount your Honour, that the police officer came to me,explained.....
......I don’t know exactly but if I may recount your Honour, that the police officer came to me,
explained to me that certain matters were not to be raised, said there needed to be, I think
she used the term that the Court had directed that this had to be who, what, where, when,
she actually had a note with equivalent of that. I took a long time to get into my
head that I had to write another statement. I was telling this as best I could and it was only when I
twigged that this to a large degree was a presentational matter because I had in the earlier
statement came at it from a slightly different direction, but I don’t want the Court to have any
impression that I spent three hours or three and a half hours making the statement, that was
not the case. I had part of that time trying to get into my head exactly what was wanted. I had
part of that time talking to my solicitor, reading this out to him on the phone and then giving it
over to the police officer
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/08_10_2013_cross_exam_gerry_adams.pdf
so that looks very much like a man admitting in court hed been coached by the PSNI on what to say to the court immediately before he went into it . In effect being asked by the PSNI to change his initial statement and then left alone with the Sinn Fein Press Officer for about 3 hours to alter his statement on what the PSNI wanted him to say . In order to avoid incriminating himself . And thats just one allegation of the PSNI coaching him . The Ombudsman is investigating another .
So how he can square that circle with the PSNI going after him and the Peace process will be quite the trick . Especially as its looking likely at least one cop will be in serious trouble over this .
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Casually Red
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and the other circles he has to square . Hes claimed theres a mysterious dark cabal within the PSNI opposed to the peace process and Sinn Fein . The cop who signed off on his arrest is Drew Harris, basically number 3 within the PSNI , Deputy assitant cheif constable and poised to become number 2 in the near future following Gillespies resignation . Heres him getting the full and unequivocal backing of the Cheif Constable over the arrest...is Baggot in this cabal too ???
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...s-they-brief-mps-at-westminster-30255328.html
What Adams has barefacedly claimed, as have a few of his credibility averse acolytes on here, is that the number 3 in the PSNI is in active collusion with dissident republicans !! . That is not just bonkers, but raises all manner of scenarios . Does this mean that Sinn Fein have been urging people to join the PSNI , and to go to it as informers with information on dissident republicans, when according to them the number 3 PSNI officer is engaged in active illegal collusion with these people ? Is there not then a massive danger Drew Harris could be tipping the dissos off whos touting on them ? telling them which nationalists are joining and helping the PSNI ? Because thats what being engaged in collusion is .
Is the Sinn Fein position on the PSNI now identical to that of Jamie Bryson and the fleggers ...PSNIRA ?
another issue, back in 2011 the PSNI recommended to the DPP no action be taken against Adams ..or his solicitor..the DPP..for witholding information about a child rape for 9 years . Were the dark side on holidays ? Maybe on Tattooine ?
youre nicked son
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...s-they-brief-mps-at-westminster-30255328.html
What Adams has barefacedly claimed, as have a few of his credibility averse acolytes on here, is that the number 3 in the PSNI is in active collusion with dissident republicans !! . That is not just bonkers, but raises all manner of scenarios . Does this mean that Sinn Fein have been urging people to join the PSNI , and to go to it as informers with information on dissident republicans, when according to them the number 3 PSNI officer is engaged in active illegal collusion with these people ? Is there not then a massive danger Drew Harris could be tipping the dissos off whos touting on them ? telling them which nationalists are joining and helping the PSNI ? Because thats what being engaged in collusion is .
Is the Sinn Fein position on the PSNI now identical to that of Jamie Bryson and the fleggers ...PSNIRA ?
another issue, back in 2011 the PSNI recommended to the DPP no action be taken against Adams ..or his solicitor..the DPP..for witholding information about a child rape for 9 years . Were the dark side on holidays ? Maybe on Tattooine ?
youre nicked son
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Casually Red
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actually Adams chose to follow Goulding . His district was the last to transfer allegiance to the provos in Belfast . He waited to see what way people were jumping first, and they all jumped before him .
Casually Red
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I'm not moaning about his refusal to own up to membership, farcical as it is there are obvious reasons for it. It's stuff like him moaning about having his shoes and tie removed - he wants to both portray himself the victim of an imperialist state whilst also saying 'don't you know who I am' - and ends up able to say nothing. Most of all, there's this little gem:
"My arrest and the very serious attempt to charge me with IRA membership is damaging to the peace process and the political institutions".
yeah, hes sounding like Bono . The rebel whos fanatically pro state .
remember there was no attempt to charge him. If the cops wanted to charge him they simply would have done and not given it a second thought . Theres also a lot of media scepticism starting to emerge about his claims he was interviewed for 17 hours a day...think about that for a minute and how perky and prepared he was at his press conference barely an hour after his release . Imagine just working 4 17 hour days in an office or a call centre and giving that type of flawless performance immediately afterwards ? Bullshit .
And more scepticism as to why Gerry Kelly was permitted to visit him during his arduous interrogations ..nobodys allowed to visit you during an interrogation..not even Policing Board members . Why he was apparently allowed to take notes during it .And not forgetting his ubiquitous Twitter account being active during his incarceration .
http://www.thejournal.ie/who-is-using-gerry-adams-twitter-1444161-May2014/
the whole thing stinks of fakery and theres only one person who benfitted from the entire thing, which was easily foreseen . That fake arrest was cleared at the very highest level of the British establishment and British security security services, its not the work of any cabal . And anyone who believes otherwise is an idiot .
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Casually Red
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is that an army of one teapot or are there at least 2 or 3 of them ?
Casually Red
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of ffs..jude collins...jude fucking collins
. A fucking laughing stock of a sycophant . The sycophants sycophant. A fucking legend.an example of his legendary sycophancy and the depths to whch nobody else only Jude..or perhaps Jim Gibney..will dare to go . Pushing the envelope Jude Collins stylee.
http://judecollinsjournalist.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/liam-adams-is-innocent.html
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Casually Red
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Countered by the citys so call ring of steel, though of course after those bombs the British Goverment caved in and surrendered to sein feins demands and the GFA was signed
If the gfa was a republican victory what would a defeat have looked like?
Bobby Sands spelled out exactly what defeat would look like....exactly like the Belfast agreement. Ulsterisation, normalisation, criminalisation, accepting partition and British rule as legal, democratic and legitmate with Irish resistance to it an act of criminality.
Accept the legitimacy of the unionist veto, accept the legitmacy of partition, accept the legitimacy of British crown forces on Irish soil, accept you must co operate fully with them in their war against serious crime, accept the Irish nation has no right to national sovereignty, accept the Irish people have no right to the ownership of Ireland, accept that British sovereignty is wholly and unquestionably legittmate, accept that resistance to it is serious crime. Accept the resistance must disband and surrender their weapons . While the crown forces remain not just intact but in charge...conceivably permanently..forever .
thats a complete and toal defeat.
but fear not, theres only an army of one opposed to it so you can have a good fucking laugh about it while still calling yourself a republican .
Casually Red
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anyways..remember that big laughable mural to the bearded one on the lower falls I posted . Well despite the reverence from afar fro a few on here on the ground reality is quite different . it was less than 24 hours after it went up that it was quite mercilessly paint bombed . Its happened a few times now since..think the message was got accross sufficiently ..so now its coming down . Actually they took it down yesterday. Too much for many to stomach, that lunatics big massive head glaring at them everyday on the Falls . Its gone now . Thank fuck .
it turns out the level of local opposition to it was only being advertised by it staying up . Thats one shit load of paint on the ground, an indication of the scale of derision it evoked within 24 hours.
The crowds were no longer on the rainy Lower Falls by yesterday afternoon, but as the world waited for news on whether Gerry Adams would be released by the PSNI, there were mixed feelings and a sense of apathy from those living nearby.
The mural depicting Mr Adams as a "peacemaker, a leader and visionary" was painted in his honour. But it had been daubed with the word 'tout' on the evening before it was unveiled. This was quickly replaced by 'Ar aghaidh linn' – 'Onwards we go'.
Then, on Saturday evening the mural was paint-bombed, in a sign of tension bubbling within the republican community. The damage was hastily repaired by early yesterday morning. Speaking of the paint-bomb attack, one woman living nearby said: "Personally, I could not care less. A lot of people do not care less. That is why it is being done."
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...d-community-divided-over-arrest-30243315.html
the army of one strikes again
it turns out the level of local opposition to it was only being advertised by it staying up . Thats one shit load of paint on the ground, an indication of the scale of derision it evoked within 24 hours.
The crowds were no longer on the rainy Lower Falls by yesterday afternoon, but as the world waited for news on whether Gerry Adams would be released by the PSNI, there were mixed feelings and a sense of apathy from those living nearby.
The mural depicting Mr Adams as a "peacemaker, a leader and visionary" was painted in his honour. But it had been daubed with the word 'tout' on the evening before it was unveiled. This was quickly replaced by 'Ar aghaidh linn' – 'Onwards we go'.
Then, on Saturday evening the mural was paint-bombed, in a sign of tension bubbling within the republican community. The damage was hastily repaired by early yesterday morning. Speaking of the paint-bomb attack, one woman living nearby said: "Personally, I could not care less. A lot of people do not care less. That is why it is being done."
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...d-community-divided-over-arrest-30243315.html
the army of one strikes again
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framed
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Are you serious or just a loonie troll?
Crowing here about teenagers supposedly 'facing down' former IRA leaders and then the paint-bombing of a mural as evidence of some kind of community backlash... FFS!
I'm not a Shinner but your posts are enough to drive me back towards them.
Crowing here about teenagers supposedly 'facing down' former IRA leaders and then the paint-bombing of a mural as evidence of some kind of community backlash... FFS!
I'm not a Shinner but your posts are enough to drive me back towards them.
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Joe Reilly
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So the 'fake arrest', was preceded by the 'fake campaign' to have him arrested, which in turn was preceded by the widespread press campaign to traduce him, which was preceded by his appearance in the witness box at his brother's trial...and then a brief (just days really) respite after his release...and readers are again reminded in screaming headlines of his brother's conviction and trial, and his involvement in it, plus his denial of IRA membership plus...all orchestrated by the Brit security services in order to further boost his, and the standing of SF, in the midst of a critical election campaign.
Nothing like the combination of a grisly torture and killing of a mother of 11 with allegations of involvement in a pedophilia scandal to get the voters out.
The alternative view?
With SF riding high in the polls, enjoying parity with the other leading parties, and GA deemed to be the most popular party reader in a poll in April after a surge in support in the previous couple of months, historic enemies got together to throw a spanner in the works.
But that would be a 'madman's' reading of events.
Obviously.
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This is part of a debate from a forum hosted by the Dublin 1916 Society. When I first watched this video I was critical of independent Councillor Cieran Perry's contribution, which mainly addressed the failings of republicanism without contrasting it with more examples of his own organisation's successful campaigns in North Dublin. However, in light of some of the posts here, I'd revise my opinion and say that he was spot-on to address the concerns of working class people about republican organisations currently operating in the city and "the elephant in the room", which he describes as "criminality masquerading as republicanism."
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