Gerry Adams exposed , his lies demolished at brothers rape trial
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you stupid cunt. it was right to kill charles i, it was right to kill louis xvi, it was right to kill sir henry wilson and it was right to have a pop at margaret hilda thatcher. i never said or implied you were thatcherite, you don't have the balls to be.
hipipol
Peckham Wry
Oh, what a pity
You were having such a sensible patch
hipipol
Peckham Wry
Not wrong
I got really worried when he started prefacing everything with " I believe........"
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It is also possible to look at historical events and understand why certain people killed in order to achieve change, but also advance a position in which, in the here and now, you advocate not killing anyone to achieve the change you want.
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"They consistently cast up my habit of referring to friends as "comrades". This, they said, was evidence of IRA membership." - Gerry Adams
The Jean McConville killing: I'm completely innocent. But what were my accusers' motives?
ferrelhadley
There is no love between us anymore.
You would not kill anyone. I doubt you would be able to punch anyone hard enough to hurt. All gas no balls. A middle class English civil servant wallowing in the vicarious day dreams of being hard in a culture they do not have to live with. Well I grew up with it, and my family now also grow up with it. The kind of carpet bagging vermin like yourself who wallow in this shit for entertainment are little more than wanking themselves off other peoples misery. You are a cunt and I hope you get cancer.
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
and now the weather
Wilf
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I've kept off this thread, largely through my ignorance of republican politics, but that article by Adams struck me as a pretty clear illustration of the what Casually Red has been saying about Adams. Trapped in a position of his own making, of supporting aspects of the British state, to the point where he can't even make a proper criticism of his own arrest. I'm hardly someone who wanted to see the war continuing, but it's still easy to see where the twists and turns of Adam's position have taken him to.
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I am not without some cynicism myself about all of this, but I fail to see what demanding Adams owns up publicly to IRA membership would achieve? And yes, I know it's about much more than that for those who are opposed to 'Peace Process PLC', but for the most part, in the last few days, the arguments of the 'dissidents' has amounted to a pointless exercise in trying to prove that he was indeed an 'IRA Commander'.
Wilf
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I'm not moaning about his refusal to own up to membership, farcical as it is there are obvious reasons for it. It's stuff like him moaning about having his shoes and tie removed - he wants to both portray himself the victim of an imperialist state whilst also saying 'don't you know who I am' - and ends up able to say nothing. Most of all, there's this little gem:
"My arrest and the very serious attempt to charge me with IRA membership is damaging to the peace process and the political institutions".
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I'm not moaning about his refusal to own up to membership, farcical as it is there are obvious reasons for it. It's stuff like him moaning about having his shoes and tie removed - he wants to both portray himself the victim of an imperialist state whilst also saying 'don't you know who I am' - and ends up able to say nothing. Most of all, there's this little gem:
"My arrest and the very serious attempt to charge me with IRA membership is damaging to the peace process and the political institutions".
That's the SF mantra though, even the mildest criticism of them is interpreted as being "...damaging to the peace process and the political institutions." Hence my cynical reference to 'Peace Process PLC' - it's their very own little privatised industry.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I'm not moaning about his refusal to own up to membership, farcical as it is there are obvious reasons for it. It's stuff like him moaning about having his shoes and tie removed - he wants to both portray himself the victim of an imperialist state whilst also saying 'don't you know who I am' - and ends up able to say nothing. Most of all, there's this little gem:
"My arrest and the very serious attempt to charge me with IRA membership is damaging to the peace process and the political institutions".
a very unworthy and horrible bit of my soul thought about the breakdown of the GFA, A euro wipe out and scots independence under Camerons watch. Have that you fucker.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the point you are trying to make seems to be that you believe that people's physique allows, or disbars, people holding certain political views. the fact you know very little about me, and what you think you know is clearly mistaken, doesn't seem to stop you shouting me down for what you think i'm saying.
i am not surprised that you do not address the point i was making. it seems to have - whoosh! - flown right over your head. instead you make up some guff you think i'm saying. fuck you and fuck your shitty strawman argument. i won't stoop to your level and hope you get cancer. i wouldn't want health resources wasted like that.
Several posters could have writtent that for him. Only one surprise for me:
Is that some kind of threat against the interviewees - or, as I read it on the bus, against Moloney and McIntyre? Is this a declaration of takfir?
The alternative reading would be that all had personally renounced Republicanism, which seems unlikely.
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McIntyre is rapidly moving away from progressive politics altogether. he's turning into some kind of rightward leaning hippy from what I've heard lately. Moloney is a former Sticky, as far as I am aware. Therefore, it's probably not wildly inaccurate to describe both as 'former republicans'.
There are almost certainly sub-texts to what is said publicly by the SF leadership. Within hours of Adams' arrest there was graffiti attacking the Boston Tapes and those associated with them.
At the Adams' press conference on his release, I spotted two smiling figures who appeared to be lapping the whole affair up. Put it this way, they're not the type of fellas that I would want to bump into if I'd had direct involvement in those interviews. Hostility will increase towards those associated with the Belfast Project/Boston Tapes, they'll be further ostracised and isolated, fewer people will want to deal with them. They are toxic now. However, violence against them would (imho) be counter-productive from SF's own perspective.
The Sticks renounced violence and armed struggle, but they still had 'Group B' as an 'internal' security force and 'fundraising' outfit.
I've no idea which letter of the alphabet the Provos have chosen.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
why would they bother with just the one?
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Not sure which Gerry Adams thread to post this on, so I'll post it on the two of them as it's probably relevant to the discussion on both... This includes interviews with Anthony McIntyre.
I'd be in favour of ditching the debate here in favour of continuing it on the other thread... Merge and re-title to 'Gerry Adams' maybe?
I'd be in favour of ditching the debate here in favour of continuing it on the other thread... Merge and re-title to 'Gerry Adams' maybe?
miktheword
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watched both spotlight BBC NI and Nolan last night, on this issue, main protagonists present
worth a watch . both begin with bobby storey resurrecting the 'we haven't gone away you know '. remember storey supposedly getting abused by youth during Ardoyne protests few years back along lines of 'f*** off , you don't speak for us now .' (it was in B Telegraph , so unsure as to legitimacy )
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b040v4b4/Spotlight_06_05_2014/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b042rwvp/The_Nolan_Show_Series_5_Episode_2/
worth a watch . both begin with bobby storey resurrecting the 'we haven't gone away you know '. remember storey supposedly getting abused by youth during Ardoyne protests few years back along lines of 'f*** off , you don't speak for us now .' (it was in B Telegraph , so unsure as to legitimacy )
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b040v4b4/Spotlight_06_05_2014/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b042rwvp/The_Nolan_Show_Series_5_Episode_2/
miktheword
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damn, you were always quicker than me!
I'm blaming my online keyboard and a phonecall for not spotting your post
eoin_k
Lawyer's fees, beetroot and music
j.patterson
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Perhaps my laungaunge towards you was not the best that it could have been. However having said that of course we come at this from two opposing positions..you have no idea about the manner means and the day to day reality of what it means to be under a full sccale militarily occupation unless you have to undergo its daily demean ing actions...how could you unless you experience it first hand.....having said that I welcome opposing views such as yours and urban 75 should be a broad church of dissenting opinions.....if we all think the same way where preaching to the converted.....so while we will never agree with each other on given subjects...we can agree to differ without recourse to personal insults.......
hipipol
Peckham Wry
That quote was a reply to Pickmans model
You started the personal insults
I have no idea why you posted this
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
the exact opposite .
Sinn Fein in the north were facing a wave of apathy and cynicism even from their own activist base. The arrest served to rally the troops around the leader, as could easily be foreseen in advance. In the south even the crappest interviewer could make a sinn fein spokesperson sound utterly ridiculous when asking them about Gerry Adams IRA membership and them and him having to deny it. He was a massive political liability . Now he can simply bat that away by saying the PSNI have investigated that thoroughly and at length and found no evidence of it . While the Boston college project that was steadily erdoding his narrative and his credibility now lies in tatters. Thanks again to the PSNI . They seem to have done him rather a few massive favours, unintentionally of course.
Irish News columnist Newton Emerson noted wryly it couldnt have worked out better for Gerry Adams if hed planned the whole thing himself .
Many people Ive spoken to have said they wouldnt be at all surprised if the whole thing was stage managed . The cops knew thered be no charges, and knew as well what the reaction would be to the arrest . People are also pointing to strange occurrences like Gerry Kelly being able to visit him during his questioning, the fact he was permitted take notes during his questioning , and the fact his twitter account was also active during his detention . And his general smugness immediately following what was supposed to have been 4 days of 17 hour interrogation sessions. And the fact the entire sequence of events was initiated by the beard himself . All very sus .
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
this was the go fuck yourself moment in Ardoyne.
you can see a brief excerpt of the conforntation on video here
http://lockerz.com/u/20723798/decalz/8182429/utv_catch_up_on_utv_live_on_the_utv_pl
Storeys days of intimidating the youth in republican districts are long over .
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