Gerry Adams exposed , his lies demolished at brothers rape trial

[Casually Red]

I know plenty of brave people who have not shot anyone in anger, or otherwise.

but not ones who dropped heavy hints they did when they didnt

 

[DaveCinzano]

This is all getting very heated, so here's a nice calming picture Ger has posted:

Gerry Adams ‏@GerryAdamsSF
West Belfast&Sliabh Dubh from my old room @ Stormont.They say topsoil from Bmurphy was used in Stormont lawns. pic.twitter.com/GfiY831YgC



7:47 PM - 4 Nov 13

But then there's always someone or other that will come along and try to Spoil A Nice Thing...

Fly fisher ‏@Flyfisherman26 4 Nov

@GerryAdamsSF Sad programme on RTE1 about the innocent people murdered by the IRA.And there ya are arrogant as f**k living the good life.


Belfastian ‏@RSFB1690 5 Nov

@GerryAdamsSF not the topsoil from Monaghan bogs ?

 

[likesfish]

Apprantly he's off to the states to get away from the pressure still gets a hard time from us immigration cant imagine why?

Ok he helped bring the troubles to an end but is as least as slippery as Blair although his body count is much lower though had more direct responsibilty

 

[DaveCinzano]

Apprantly he's off to the states to get away from the pressure still gets a hard time from us immigration cant imagine why?

Apparently he's always trying to sneak through full-size bottles of Timotei in his walk-on luggage.

 

[Pickman's model]

his body count is much lower though had more direct responsibilty

are you saying blair was irresponsible?

 

[Pickman's model]

Difficult to prove, what is becoming increasingly clear is that the whole concept that SF is a completely separate entity from the IRA is a very transparent lie.

clear ... transparent how droll

 

[likesfish]

are you saying blair was irresponsible?

no I'm saying his Mrs is a very good lawyer you'd have more chance of nailing a jelly down with a nail gun than proving his was responsible for anything
anyway it was the big boy George made me do it

 

[Badgers]

I watched The Disappeared last night on BBC4. It brought the misery of the time back, I had a lump in my throat through most of it.
Good TV for a change.

Watched the first 20 minutes of this on my commute this morning.
Very well made but not 'first thing in the morning viewing' so will continue later.

You are right about the misery of the time. I had an odd/skewed perspective of things being a young lad in Aldershot through the 80s. Can recall regularly being stopped at town 'checkpoints' and my dad showing ID while mirrors went under the car. Ireland seemed a long way away at the time.

 

[JHE]

Apprantly he's off to the states to get away from the pressure still gets a hard time from us immigration cant imagine why?

Ok he helped bring the troubles to an end but is as least as slippery as Blair although his body count is much lower though had more direct responsibilty

Yes. Adams was a key peacemaker. That doesn't make other things he has done, or (in relation to his brother) failed to do, all OK, but he did his country a good service by helping to end the slaughter.

 

[Pickman's model]

no I'm saying his Mrs is a very good lawyer you'd have more chance of nailing a jelly down with a nail gun than proving his was responsible for anything
anyway it was the big boy George made me do it

his what?

 

[Pickman's model]

Watched the first 20 minutes of this on my commute this morning.
Very well made but not 'first thing in the morning viewing' so will continue later.

You are right about the misery of the time. I had an odd/skewed perspective of things being a young lad in Aldershot through the 80s. Can recall regularly being stopped at town 'checkpoints' and my dad showing ID while mirrors went under the car. Ireland seemed a long way away at the time.

it's stayed exactly where it was, badgers.

 

[likesfish]

his what?

Because referring to it as the WMF would be cruel

 

[DaveCinzano]

he did his country a good service by helping to end the slaughter.

Surely the point is that this narrative - one which he himself is keen to perpetuate - is not uncontested.

He is being accused of prolonging the slaughter for a further 20-30 years, and delivering to Republicans nothing more (and arguably less) than what was on the table in the mid-1970s... Except with him in the driving seat.

 

[likesfish]

Tbf its not like any of the other sides were desperate for peace or his own side
It was obvious to just about everyone the armed campaign had failed in the 70s not that it had any chance once the british army had been deployed.
Not that the army was brilliant but 200 odd gunmen against 30000+ trained and equipped soldiers even rambo wouldnt fancy those odds and the uncomfatable fact that over half the population really really wanted to remain british rather ruins the national liberation struggle story

 

[framed]

Well that illustrates what I was trying to say. The IRA didn't leave room for any other kind of struggle, did it? A civil rights struggle, for instance. And those civil rights only started to come once the IRA had admitted defeat wrt its aims.

Those are fair points. In my experience, what Sinn Fein does not control it will try to destroy. That's why the armed struggle was promoted as 'the only show in town' for almost 40 years and all other republican/socialist political initiatives from outside of SF were undermined, boycotted and, in some cases, intimidated out of political activity. It bred an activist base that was obedient and unquestioning.

To paraphrase the great Bill Shankly, 'It's a form of Stalinism... without the politics, of course.'

 

[Casually Red]

Yes. Adams was a key peacemaker. That doesn't make other things he has done, or (in relation to his brother) failed to do, all OK, but he did his country a good service by helping to end the slaughter.

he prolonged it, and by failing to address the political issue has played a part in ensuring it will kick off again.
take a look at the peacemakers record and his denunciations of ceasefires in order to take the thing over...and whose bright idea was the long war. What he and his handlers were about wasnt anything to with brining a conflict to an end . It was about destroying republicanism itself as an ideology . No matter how long that took .

 

[likesfish]

Now I doubt spooks are that cynical or anybody in whitehall cares that deeply for NI .
Its hardly Algeria if anybody had cared deeply aboutt he place maybe the troubles wouldn't have lasted as long as they did.
Frankly if westminister had given a damm about the place the unionists wouldnt have got to play apartheid light
Mind you if their was a spook determned to destroy irish republicanism he'd probably be left to get on with its not as if anybody else had any ideas intrest in the place

 

[DaveCinzano]

Frankly if westminister had given a damm about the place the unionists wouldnt have got to play apartheid light

Err, you mean like gerrymandering electoral boundaries, widespread disenfranchisement amongst working class Catholics thanks to property owning-based voting rights, massively underfunded and substandard housing and welfare support as well as corrupt allocation, employment opportunities (eg at H&W) prioritised by religious background, a non-representative police force, that sort of thing?

ETA: Misread likesfish's post

 

[likesfish]

Exactly the biritish goverments policy for 50 odd years was are the irish throwing bombs no?
Ok we can ignore the place.
1968 wtf! It was even offical house of commons policy not to raise questions about northern ireland in the house of commons. the armed struggle may have been idiotic but there was genuine injustice and anger.

 

[Idris2002]

the armed struggle may have been idiotic but there was genuine injustice and anger.

Where is likesfish and what have you done with him?

 

[DaveCinzano]

Exactly the biritish goverments policy for 50 odd years was are the irish throwing bombs no?
Ok we can ignore the place.
1968 wtf! It was even offical house of commons policy not to raise questions about northern ireland in the house of commons. the armed struggle may have been idiotic but there was genuine injustice and anger.

Apologies - I misread your post.

 

[likesfish]

No problems.
Takes a while but sometimes i get the point
Pity the unionists make me look quick

 

[Idris2002]

Pity the unionists make me look quick

Yeah, and that's my problem with the stuff like this above:

He is being accused of prolonging the slaughter for a further 20-30 years, and delivering to Republicans nothing more (and arguably less) than what was on the table in the mid-1970s... Except with him in the driving seat.

Not that Cde. Cinzano believes this (you don't, do you, Dave), but anyone who does believe it has to explain how exactly Gerry was able to arrange for some particularly slow-witted and intransigent unionists to be in charge on their side of the fence all through the 70s and 80s.

 

[likesfish]

Hm goverment was ready to deal most republicans wanted a deal the unionists didnt and were prepared to fight or at least strike and generally make things impossible

 

[Idris2002]

Hm goverment was ready to deal most republicans wanted a deal the unionists didnt and were prepared to fight or at least strike and generally make things impossible

I think Jim Callaghan said his big regret was not shutting down Stormont in 1969 when your chums were sent in.

 

[toggle]

Hm goverment was ready to deal most republicans wanted a deal the unionists didnt and were prepared to fight or at least strike and generally make things impossible

and westminster have been prepared to bow to the wishes of a group that could clearly be labelled a disloyal minority, who threaten armed rebellion if they didn't get their own way, as long as it was the right 'disloyal minority'

 

[Idris2002]

and westminster have been prepared to bow to the wishes of a group that could clearly be labelled a disloyal minority, who threaten armed rebellion if they didn't get their own way, as long as it was the right 'disloyal minority'

It was the same deal with Rhodesian UDI.

 

[hipipol]

How wonderful

Mr Adams leads a bunch of vile killers but is given credence by Shamrock flaunting Yankee Kings,
While Orange tinged Union flag wrapped white haired loons chant "No Surrender"

If course, the fault of our "Government"


Imbedded in this the notion that our leaders are perfect and totally liable
Anyone actually have a remotely objective view, or perhaps even, a mirror?

 

[hipipol]

It was the same deal with Rhodesian UDI.

And what the fuck do you think we were capable of doing about that?
Invasion?
Wilson was no B.Liar

 

[hipipol]

and westminster have been prepared to bow to the wishes of a group that could clearly be labelled a disloyal minority, who threaten armed rebellion if they didn't get their own way, as long as it was the right 'disloyal minority'

Interesting
So, if say Scargill had upped the anti with an armed wing, the Mines would now have self government?