General Election 2015 - chat, predictions, results and post election discussion

[treelover]

Yep, she'd be a decent leader

Cooper as employment secretary was responsible for the 'invisible wheelchair' question on ESA, if you could propel it you failed.

 

[ViolentPanda]

We are doomed. Goodbye NHS.

We're only doomed if we sit back and do nothing.

 

[Pickman's model]

I may have to take it upon myself to reduce the vermin's majority one by one. Where to begin?

charity begins at home

 

[treelover]

Just from my perception I think one of the real issues both the Tories and Labour had was the they run such a managed sterile campaign you essentially ended up with Dave and Ed plastic action figures running our set piece slogans. Neither of them were authentic, Davy some just slightly more personable.

They need someone who comes across as an human being and a lot less managed.

Andy Burnham?

 

[Thunderfist]

If I was to put a relentlessly optimistic hat on (it doesn't get out of the wardrobe much) then we're actually in a better position than 2010. Cameron can just about command a majority - but he has absolutley no allies, no one in the centre ground, no Lib Dem fall guys. Where voters were actually offered an anti-austerity alternative they nearly broke the swingometer. Labour will be forced to seriously re-think from the bottom up.

 

[brogdale]

Farage has gone...for a bit...apparently?

Fucking joke.

 

[butchersapron]

I may have to take it upon myself to reduce the vermin's majority one by one. Where to begin?

Clegg

 

[Libertad]

charity begins at home

No vermin here, our terrier's seen them off.

 

[ViolentPanda]

That is a pretty striking fact. Their will be calls for PR from left and right now. FPTP is not fit for purpose.

We both know it hasn't been fit for purpose arguably since the formation of the SDP,but frankly the shoddy version of PR that was peddled to us early on in the coalition wasn't worth a drop of maggot piss either.

 

[treelover]

Too true, I'm not going to shed any tears over the pricks. They're already lurching even more to the right - see scum like Picarda on the other thread, Hodges etc.

Fuck them, this isn't the fault of people for not voting for them (how dare those Scots desert us!), it's their fault for taking w/c voters for granted for x number of years, for arguing that they'll be tougher on benefits than the tories, for having their only line be "well at least you're not the tories" while still arguing for austerity.

It's worth noting that the Tories barely increased their share of the vote from 2010. Those of us with pro-w/c politics shouldn't fall in with the "british people = Turkeys voting for Xmas" bullshit that already starts to be coming from some areas. We should take promise from the fact that even on a weak social-democratic message the SNP and Greens have done well.

The challenge for us is to not to let this throw us from the workplace and community work that we do but to try and use these new opportunities that will come up to take the fight in different directions.

But sadly a lot of potential labour voters ssem to like Govts getting tough on benefits, though some of this is the massive amount of misinformation and smears, that awful programme, Benefits St starts again right on queue on Monday, and the hate will begin all over again, watch all the parties will be all over it.

 

[Dr. Furface]

Even a Farage loss is because of a Tory win.

Yes because UKIP have had a big negative effect on Labour's vote, depite the fact they're a right wing party. With this result and Farage standing down - we hope - UKIP will find it difficult to keep up the momentum they've built during this campaign and probably won't be much of a force in future. They'll make a lot of noise about the EU referendum, which Cameron has promised, but after that they may well fade away.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Calls from parties with no power.

The problem being (as ever) that for the main parties, there's no percentage for them in PR, right up until the electorate is so diffuse that PR becomes advantageous.

 

[crossthebreeze]

Twelve left to go? Meaning a maximum Tory majority of 9?

Yes, 9 is the maximum possible majority, hopefully they won't get that

 

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[Spymaster]

Clegg just resigned.

 

[DotCommunist]

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yes and rape apologist galloway off to spend more time working for russian and iranian news outlets.

every cloud

 

[treelover]

Why? Have you thought about people who don't necessarily owe their allegiance to the UK? Citizens of other countries, people married to people from other countries, people who feel a stronger bond with, e.g. Europe than they do with the UK? There's all sorts of reasons why this election result might be the tipping point for someone to want to leave, without their only reason being one of selfishness.

not many lands of milk and honey in the EU at the moment.

 

[DotCommunist]

Clegg just resigned.

LOL off to cry along to Dire Strait 'Love Over Gold' album.

the fucking shite. He should be in a cell

 

[Louis MacNeice]

First Past The Post is what happened (although the result would have been similar with the version of PR the Lib-Dims and articul8 tried to flog us a few years ago).

Some rough (literally back of an envelope with the results to date) calculations for England, Scotland and Wales if seats were allocated proportionately in each nation (the bracketed figures are for England, Scotland and Wales respectively):

Con - 236 (219, 8, 11)
Lab - 199 (170,14, 15)
UKIP - 83 (77, 1, 5)
LD - 50 (43, 4, 3)
SNP - 28 (0, 28, 0)
Green - 24 (22, 1, 1)
PC - 5 (0, 0, 5)

I will up date this when all the results are in and include the actual allocation of seats.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[editor]

Depressing as fuck.

 

[Andrew Hertford]

First Past The Post is what happened (although the result would have been similar with the version of PR the Lib-Dims and articul8 tried to flog us a few years ago).

Av was a poor compromise which nobody really wanted, but if we'd had it at this election we'd probably still have had a tory government but it would have had more legitimacy so far as percentage of votes cast than the we've just got with fptp (only 36.8%) and more importantly, the issue of electoral reform would still be an issue. As it is, it won't be an issue again for at least a generation.

 

[butchersapron]

That clegg coward runs away from the mess be has made of his party. They lost deposits in over half the seats. From losing none. And he just walks away.

 

[Divisive Cotton]

Good timing... the Radical Book Fair is on in London tomorrow: https://londonradicalbookfair.wordpress.com/

 

[Louis MacNeice]

That clegg coward runs away from the mess be has made of his party. They lost deposits in over half the seats. From losing none. And he just walks away.

But at least he got a go in the ministerial limo.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[teqniq]

Please don't tell me you are surprised BA

 

[Divisive Cotton]

So Nigel Farage loses to a former-UKIP Tory...

So it's a victory then!! In the smallest way imaginable...

 

[Mr.Bishie]

That clegg coward runs away from the mess be has made of his party. They lost deposits in over half the seats. From losing none. And he just walks away.

That's what spineless neolibs do innit?

 

[not-bono-ever]

[Fuckin awfullover, post: 13881806, member: 334"]But sadly a lot of potential labour voters ssem to like Govts getting tough on benefits, though some of this is the massive amount of misinformation and smears, that awful programme, Benefits St starts again right on queue on Monday, and the hate will begin all over again, watch all the parties will be all over it.[/QUOTE].


Dog whistle politics. Fuckin awful scapegoating - who was it talked about needing to dehumanise your enemies first in order to get the hate ramped up?

 

[butchersapron]

Please don't tell me you are surprised BA

Not at all, just pre-empting the inevitable quartz comment on what an honourable man this is.

 

[brogdale]

That's what spineless neolibs do innit?

Not quite. When they fail...they walk away..... into another state-subsidised role.