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I’m intrigued to see what the Dulwich position on the World Cup is going to be, given that there was a protest held at Champion Hill to highlight workers’ conditions during the construction of the infrastructure. Also with a strong stance on LGBTQI+ inclusion in football I’d hope Dulwich would use this opportunity to reinforce that. This is something one of the women’s teams I play for (Goal Diggers) has already decided. We’ve held very successful watch parties for previous competitions, women’s & men’s, but this is not something we’ll be doing this time. Any approaches for endorsements, publicity etc are to be turned down as well unless, as a club with a strong LGBTQI+ membership, that representation is made crystal clear.
Interested in your view on whether a dogmatic “it shouldn’t be happening there so we should do nothing - no sceeenings in the bar, nothing” approach from the club is the only acceptable approach or if a pragmatic “it’s happening, people will want to watch, so we’ll do screenings but we’ll be very vocal that absolutely all profit goes to LGBTQI+ charities” line would be acceptable.
 
Anything less than a televised LGBTQ+ inclusive orgy in the centre circle of Champion Hill during the England vs Iran game and I’ll be disappointed to be honest.
 
Interested in your view on whether a dogmatic “it shouldn’t be happening there so we should do nothing - no sceeenings in the bar, nothing” approach from the club is the only acceptable approach or if a pragmatic “it’s happening, people will want to watch, so we’ll do screenings but we’ll be very vocal that absolutely all profit goes to LGBTQI+ charities” line would be acceptable.

It's quite conflicting, deciding how to respond, isn't it...
On one hand, am a big fan of football, but on the other, am not really into human rights abuses.
 
Interested in your view on whether a dogmatic “it shouldn’t be happening there so we should do nothing - no sceeenings in the bar, nothing” approach from the club is the only acceptable approach or if a pragmatic “it’s happening, people will want to watch, so we’ll do screenings but we’ll be very vocal that absolutely all profit goes to LGBTQI+ charities” line would be acceptable.

That's a fucking banging idea. Screening games but using the opportunity to raise money for LGBT+ charities could really do some good.
 
Interested in your view on whether a dogmatic “it shouldn’t be happening there so we should do nothing - no sceeenings in the bar, nothing” approach from the club is the only acceptable approach or if a pragmatic “it’s happening, people will want to watch, so we’ll do screenings but we’ll be very vocal that absolutely all profit goes to LGBTQI+ charities” line would be acceptable.
We had a very long discussion about this at Goal Diggers with options ranging from the noisy activism we’ve done in the past to the dogmatic, no watch parties. Of course we’re in a different commercial position as we’re not the venue, we’re the ones hiring the venues though with three figure attendances at many of our Euros watch parties they still prove pretty lucrative for club funds. Dulwich is in a different commercial position with staff wages etc to be taken into consideration. With the opening games about a fortnight away hopefully we will hear a statement soon.
 
Can't they just play it 24 hours later on the Wednesday?

Separately, club have announced the postponed Ebbsfleet home match will be played on Tues 24 Jan
Seems strange.
Game v Concord on 13th December showing up as postponed on club site and football webpages. Anyone know why?
World Cup semi finals day? Maybe Concord are expecting to have players involved and unavailable 🤔
 
That's a fucking banging idea. Screening games but using the opportunity to raise money for LGBT+ charities could really do some good.
We (GDFC not DHFC) were approached by a leading niche football clothing supplier to host World Cup screenings with a small proportion of profits (5%) on World merchandising going to Football v Homophobia. Turned it down as this smacked of tokenism. Just had a mail out from said company and “strangely” none of their World Cup merch mentions human rights for exploited migrant workers or the LGBTQI+ People of Qatar subject to police brutality and criminalisation for being themselves.
 
We (GDFC not DHFC) were approached by a leading niche football clothing supplier to host World Cup screenings with a small proportion of profits (5%) on World merchandising going to Football v Homophobia. Turned it down as this smacked of tokenism. Just had a mail out from said company and “strangely” none of their World Cup merch mentions human rights for exploited migrant workers or the LGBTQI+ People of Qatar subject to police brutality and criminalisation for being themselves.

I think maybe we're misssing a trick here at DHFC with not doing something around the world Cup. We've got a voice, and presence that we should use
 
I think maybe we're misssing a trick here at DHFC with not doing something around the world Cup. We've got a voice, and presence that we should use
Must admit I’m surprised at how quiet the club has been over the World Cup. Similarly recently with Rainbow Laces which I didn’t see mentioned by either the club or the trust, though I may have missed it. Sad if that was the case given we were the first club to embrace them back in 2014 Dulwich Hamlet FC becomes first non-league team to support anti-homophobia ‘Rainbow Laces’ campaign
 
Must admit I’m surprised at how quiet the club has been over the World Cup. Similarly recently with Rainbow Laces which I didn’t see mentioned by either the club or the trust, though I may have missed it. Sad if that was the case given we were the first club to embrace them back in 2014 Dulwich Hamlet FC becomes first non-league team to support anti-homophobia ‘Rainbow Laces’ campaign

Thats my point. We've been at the forefront of LGBT+ issues in football from the get go. From rainbow laces day to raising money for local charities and the trans game...I'd have expected something. Maybe we're preempting the club and there is something in the works.
 
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Got emailed this morning from GWR to say that my pre-booked journey for the return trip had been changed. The last through service from Taunton to Paddington is now at 16:38, so you could watch the first half!

The next service departs Taunton at 17:46, after three changes gets back to London at 23:00, after which there’s a long gap until the 19:45 as shown above.

So unfortunately it becomes impractical for me as I’ve got an early start the following day. Should imagine this will scupper more than a few planned journeys for Saturday.
 
Thats my point. We've been at the forefront of LGBT+ issues in football from the get go. From rainbow laces day to raising money for local charities and the trans game...I'd have expected something. Maybe we're preempting the club and there is something in the works.
Tony I feel there are real challenges with any campaign involving laces and it is primarily that players are reluctant to remove their existing ones from their boots for one game.
I am also much happier for the club to continue to show its collective support rather than risk players potentially being called out just because they didn’t want the hassle of removing and replacing their laces. Our captains wear a rainbow armband at all games not just the ones where campaigns are running.
The reluctance to change laces also meant that few if any players changed their laces for a Gambling with Lives campaign although they were a named sponsor on the day.
 
Tony I feel there are real challenges with any campaign involving laces and it is primarily that players are reluctant to remove their existing ones from their boots for one game. I am also much happier for the club to continue to show its collective support rather than risk players potentially being called out just because they didn’t want the hassle of removing and replacing their laces. Our captains wear a rainbow armband at all games not just the ones where campaigns are running.
The reluctance to change laces also meant that few if any players changed their laces for a Gambling with Lives campaign although they were a named sponsor on the day.
Sorry to have to say that but that is one of the weakest excuses I’ve ever heard for not even mentioning the Rainbow Laces campaign this year. Might note that at previous celebrations of the campaign players in our women’s team innovated and, for example, braided the laces into their hair. As an inclusive club I like to think our fans are open-minded enough to allow for those players who may chose not to wear rainbow laces if wearing them might conflict with their own faith or beliefs, as long as they do not then use this as an opportunity to express any hateful opinions. My own experience of our teams is that I would not see this happening. If the club had been just honest enough and said they forgot then I could live with that. Just sometimes I do get frustrated that the club does things for the LGBTQI+ community rather than with them. Little things like having the Football v Homophobia award picked up by two straight white men or the fact that nearly a year after being proudly told that “No Transphobia” would be added to the steps to the bar this has still not been done.
 
Paula G take that up with the club, I’m not itd media man and my comments are based on conversations not club policy. You may not agree but I’m just saying why many of the men’s players don’t wear them and that applied to yellow laces as well as rainbow ones.
 
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Paila G take that up with the club, I’m not itd media man and my comments are based on conversations not club policy. You may not agree but I’m just saying why many of the men’s players don’t wear them and that applied to yellow laces as well as rainbow ones.
A number of these things I have mentioned to the club and it’s directors over the course of a year but none have been acted on. The most recent was rainbow laces when I noticed that there had been no mention of them in any club media I was aware of. It may have been mentioned in the club programmes or over the PA but not being at games due to my own playing commitments I may have missed. Didn’t see anything on social media or the club website mentioning Rainbow Laces or Stonewall which, goes without saying, seems pretty poor given all that we’ve done in the past.
 
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