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SheilaNaGig said:
I’ve got an awful feeling that this thing has barely begun.
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The UK lockdown?
If you're saying it will be extended beyond three weeks (= Thursday 7th May, given that they announced the extra three weeks yesterday) then I absolutely agree with you.

A senior and experienced nurse I know well here, reckons full lockdown until the first weekend of June at least. -- and she emphasised 'at least', too.

But details of what happens (beyond June/July etc.) is still not known yet??
Given that any relaxation of the lockdown regime will be gradual and in slow stages, most likely.

In other words, I think 'barely begun' could well be slightly overdoing it. Possibly, like.
 
William of Walworth said:
The UK lockdown?
If you're saying it will be extended beyond three weeks (= Thursday 7th May, given that they announced the extra three weeks yesterday) then I absolutely agree with you.

A senior and experienced nurse I know well here, reckons full lockdown until the first weekend of June at least. -- and she emphasised 'at least', too.

But details of what happens (beyond June/July etc.) is still not known yet??
Given that any relaxation of the lockdown regime will be gradual and in slow stages, most likely.

In other words, I think 'barely begun' could well be slightly overdoing it. Possibly, like.
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The global pandemic, William of Walworth . The full horror of it has barely begun.
 
SheilaNaGig said:
The global pandemic, @williamofwalworth
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Patronising? That's a big word!! :p ;)

Sorry :oops:.
I know what you mean of course, and I'd be the very last to suggest the pandemic generally will all be over in a few weeks or even months or whatever.
But the details of how it's dealt with, how long full-on lock-downs last, what particular types of relaxations get allowed, whether and how more extensive testing is done, vaccine development later on, and all that related stuff, are much more up for discussion though.
And legitimate disagreement too, given that we're all predicting in the dark at the moment.
My own view is that the risk of being over-optimistic (to which I've sometimes been prone myself :oops: ) is dangerous. No dispute from me there, I've had my fingers burnt already.
But to me, the risk of being over-pessimistic can also be a thing.
 
William of Walworth said:
Patronising? That's a big word!! :p ;)

Sorry :oops:.
I know what you mean of course, and I'd be the very last to suggest the pandemic generally will all be over in a few weeks or even months or whatever.
But the details of how it's dealt with, how long full-on lock-downs last, what particular types of relaxations get allowed, whether and how more extensive testing is done, vaccine development later on, and all that related stuff, are much more up for discussion though.
And legitimate disagreement too, given that we're all predicting in the dark at the moment.
My own view is that the risk of being over-optimistic (to which I've sometimes been prone myself :oops: ) is dangerous. No dispute from me there, I've had my fingers burnt already.
But to me, the risk of being over-pessimistic can also be a thing.
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How am I being patronising? :confused: :confused:




I've been hanging on to hope and trying hard to stay on the upside of this but today's news from around the world has knocked me sideways. The virus seems able to infect the nervous tissue, the kidneys, the guts, the liver... we're seeing significant numbers of people with renal failure and hepatitis that seems to be associated with C-19. This is on top of any long term future issues people might have with their lungs after recovering from C-19. People are getting sick in ways that are hard to predict, unexpected, and almost impossible to get ahead of.


We're seeing people testing positive soon after recovering from the virus. If that's really happening, getting it once is no protection, for the person or for the community. The virus will continue to rage so long as people are in contact with each other, forever.

Vaccination: well, hopefully, maybe. But we still don't have a vaccination for HIV after all these years, nor for any other coronavirus despite decades of trying. And if, as seems to be the case, C-19 mutates as swiftly as other bat coronaviruses, then even if we do have a vaccination, will it protect against the next version?

The underlying presence of the virus is now unassailable. America is insisting on gathering in stupid crowds to protest the lockdown, thus inevitably increasing infection rates. Slums, refugee camps and shanty towns are already carrying the virus, bodies literally piling up in the streets in some countries.

As bad as things are here in the UK I reckon this is a walk in the park compared to what will happen elsewhere in the year ahead, and a necessary steep learning curve for dealing with whatever happens next.

I really hope I'm wrong. But I've got a bad feeling about this.


ETA
Plus, the global depression that is now inevitable, the economic harm and misery with attendant hurt and injury to life and quality of life; the inevitable selfishness that will follow. It's all miserable.
 
SheilaNaGig : I only mentioned vaccines in passing -- and I know it will take plenty of time before there are any, especially reliable ones.
On the other hand, there's a very large quantity of research being done.

I'll have to focus on the rest of your post when I'm not about to retire to bed, but I do get a lot of your points, and I totally understand why bad news leads to bad thoughts.
I'll try to get back to the particulars though.
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Oh yes : 'patronisng' was my joke really ;), but you saying 'The global pandemic, William of Walworth' as if I'd never bloody heard of it, did look a little bit like that!
NOT IMPORTANT though, and I apologise for my annoying thowaway :oops: :oops: :(
 
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killer b said:
william, can you stop misinterpreting every other post as someone saying 'there will definitely be no festivals in august' please? It's getting really dull now.
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I didn't fucking mention them! :mad: -- get off my back please.
My point above was much more general, and I think I'm right that for now, the timing of things generally (eventual/gradual relaxations of lock-down etc.) is still up for discussion.
 
it's what you're thinking though. whenever someone says anything about maybe this might go on for a while, there you are talking up the need to be optimistic about an early end to the lockdown with your underlines and your multiple smilies. And then you have the gall to call someone else patronising.
 
Fact remains that I never mentioned festivals above -- it was you who did that.

Your patent and obvious dislike for me is unnecessary, also unpleasant -- I do have some legitimate contributions to make to discussions, yet you just chose to have a sneery (and in this thread, irrelevant) pop at me for attempting to do so above.
 
William of Walworth said:
I only mentioned vaccines in passing -- and I know it will take plenty of time before there are any, especially reliable ones.
On the other hand, there's a very large quantity of research being done.

I'll have to focus on the rest of your post when I'm not about to retire to bed, but I do get a lot of your points, and I totally understand why bad news leads to bad thoughts.
I'll try to get back to the particulars though.
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Oh yes : 'patronisng' was my joke really ;), but you saying 'The global pandemic, William of Walworth' as if I'd never bloody heard of it, did look a little bit like that!
NOT IMPORTANT though, and I apologise for my annoying thowaway :oops: :oops: :(
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I said that because you seemed to think I was talking about the UK lockdown rather than the whole global pandemic. I was just answering your post.

Not sure what I should have said instead tbh.
 
SheilaNaGig said:
I said that because you seemed to think I was talking about the UK lockdown rather than the whole global pandemic. I was just answering your post.

Not sure what I should have said instead tbh.
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Fair dos -- that was probably my fault for over-emphasising the UK aspects. Apologies.
Generally though, there seems to be quite a bit of UK talk in this thread, as well as in the actual UK one.

Anyway, I really am off to bed know -- I hope you're able to sleep well! :)
 
William of Walworth said:
Fact remains that I never mentioned festivals above -- it was you who did that.

Your patent and obvious dislike for me is unnecessary, also unpleasant -- I do have some legitimate contributions to make to discussions, yet you just chose to have a sneery (and in this thread, irrelevant) pop at me for attempting to do so above.
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You don't need to mention them anymore, it's like they're embossed on every post you make.
 
William of Walworth said:
Fair dos -- that was probably my fault for over-emphasising the UK aspects. Apologies.
Generally though, there seems to be quite a bit of UK talk in this thread, as well as in the actual UK one.
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I just dumped my gloomy little post here because it's "chat" rather than any facts or links to sources. It's a strong feeling I have, one that has crept up on me today despite my efforts to stay hopeful. I've been posting in both the UK thread and the Worldwide thread, but my feelings don't come under those headings. So I came here and sidled up to the bar to see if I could find some companionship.

We're all pretty blinkered in some respects, I reckon. Its just so huge, it's too much to think about, so we're mostly paying attention to the stuff that's most relevant to us personally, whether that's the festival season or the stats or the PPE or the physiology and pathology or ...
 
So. My flatmate said she doesn't mind if my girlfriend comes over tonight for what amounts to a booty call. We're both going nuts. Is it really irresponsible?

Or are other people secretly doing this? We've been really disciplined about it all so far but it's been weeks now. I see loads of couples walking around together and they can't all be living in the same household surely.
 
Petcha said:
So. My flatmate said she doesn't mind if my girlfriend comes over tonight for what amounts to a booty call. We're both going nuts. Is it really irresponsible?

Or are other people secretly doing this? We've been really disciplined about it all so far but it's been weeks now. I see loads of couples walking around together and they can't all be living in the same household surely.
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It's not allowed in the guidelines that are designed to reduce the death rate. So yes, it's irresponsible and you shouldn't do it. Yes, it's really hard. And yes, some other people are breaking the rules and doing it anyway.
 
LynnDoyleCooper said:
It's not allowed in the guidelines that are designed to reduce the death rate. So yes, it's irresponsible and you shouldn't do it. Yes, it's really hard. And yes, some other people are breaking the rules and doing it anyway.
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Yes, I agree. I'm usually the irresponsible one in any relationship so this is new territory for me. Following 'guidelines' doesn't exactly run in my DNA but I'm the one suggesting it's not a great idea.
 
Petcha said:
Yes, I agree. I'm usually the irresponsible one in any relationship so this is new territory for me. Following 'guidelines' doesn't exactly run in my DNA but I'm the one suggesting it's not a great idea.
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I'm sure loads of people are doing it, and it's quite likely that you'll end up doing it - in the same situation, I'd be sorely tempted, and I cannot put my hand on my heart and say I wouldn't.

But it wouldn't be the Right Thing To Do.
 
Petcha said:
Yes, I agree. I'm usually the irresponsible one in any relationship so this is new territory for me. Following 'guidelines' doesn't exactly run in my DNA but I'm the one suggesting it's not a great idea.
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A friend moved in with her boyfriend a couple of weeks ago for the duration which struck me as a good idea.
 
two sheds said:
A friend moved in with her boyfriend a couple of weeks ago for the duration which struck me as a good idea.
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Good idea. Well for anyone who was slightly interested, I've overruled her and we're gonna try to stick it out for three more weeks. 9 months from then there's gonna be a massive baby boom in this country.

Edit: Flatmate has just told me she's got her boyfriend coming over anyway, she can't take it anymore either :facepalm::D
 
Petcha said:
Good idea. Well for anyone who was slightly interested, I've overruled her and we're gonna try to stick it out for three more weeks. 9 months from then there's gonna be a massive baby boom in this country.

Edit: Flatmate has just told me she's got her boyfriend coming over anyway, she can't take it anymore either :facepalm::D
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Yep, my eldest moved in with his gf and kids...and to my utter shame, we ALL met up on my allotment, one glorious afternoon 3 weeks ago. Naturally, I worried continuously afterwards, even though we were scrupulous to stay on our plots, keep our distance, bring our own cups, snacks etc.. I missed them so bloody much and I felt I was going mad without watching children gathering up 'pet snails' and picking bunches of flowers.

It's a tricky thing though - we have all been on board with self isolating and taking precautions since way back in early March. My daughter took Gdd out of school a full 2 weeks before the official closure on the 26th. A couple of my family members are very high risk so I pretty much have not been taking any chances, plus compliance, at least in my circles, has been total (almost). So, I dunno. It is the knock-on effects - not being able to control who goes where, sees who, has whatever connections and responsibilities. In shared households, this is even more pronounced (and the main reason my eldest moved out of his housing co-op to be with his partner and family.
We all went back into purdah pretty much.. ..and 3 weeks on, we are still all OK. So, I dunno. Long distance relationships, with deferred pleasures, have a charm and excitement all their own but...we are human and fallible. I wouldn't. couldn't condemn someone who feels they are sinking without human engagement...
 
It’s really sharpening my thoughts about those who are obliged or compelled to go without physical contact. Prisoners, the lonesome alone, armed forces (do they hug much? At all?).

Being without physical contact is really bad for us. Touch hunger, skin hunger, touch starvation/deprivation is recognised as a real thing that increases risk for all sorts of health issues, psychological and physiological too.
 
SheilaNaGig said:
It’s really sharpening my thoughts about those who are obliged or compelled to go without physical contact. Prisoners, the lonesome alone, armed forces (do they hug much? At all?).

Being without physical contact is really bad for us. Touch hunger, skin hunger, touch starvation/deprivation is recognised as a real thing that increases risk for all sorts of health issues, psychological and physiological too.
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I wonder how all the incel manbabies are taking it?
 
Petcha said:
Good idea. Well for anyone who was slightly interested, I've overruled her and we're gonna try to stick it out for three more weeks. 9 months from then there's gonna be a massive baby boom in this country.

Edit: Flatmate has just told me she's got her boyfriend coming over anyway, she can't take it anymore either :facepalm::D
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Simple solution here, but it does involve unfaithfulness...
 
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