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Teaboy said:
Right. So in a situation where there is decent airline (LOT) and the ticket price being offered by an obscure travel agent (Travelgenio) is that much cheaper its likely because LOT is pushing cheap tickets through that agent alone?
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That's quite possible. What's the routing?

There is another reason, an airline might offer a very special deal to an agency that is selling tickets as part of an inclusive tour, so air ticket alongside hotel, transfer and so on, and the agency may be flogging them on the side with no hotel, transfer and so on...
 
Its London City to Lviv via Warsaw. Pretty obscure I know, but I'm trying to get my Christmas flights sorted and the only direct flight is a wizz one which they currently want silly money for.
 
Teaboy said:
Its London City to Lviv via Warsaw. Pretty obscure I know, but I'm trying to get my Christmas flights sorted and the only direct flight is a wizz one which they currently want silly money for.
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Ah right. LOT's only just started flying from City, they have routes to all sorts of places, not just in Poland, but Vilnius and Budapest, as well as Warsaw, so guess they are trying to get some bums on seats, so yeah, probably offering a decent deal through one agent. Go for it, make sure you buy on a credit card rather than a debit card.
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
That's quite possible. What's the routing?

There is another reason, an airline might offer a very special deal to an agency that is selling tickets as part of an inclusive tour, so air ticket alongside hotel, transfer and so on, and the agency may be flogging them on the side with no hotel, transfer and so on...
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Is this why on a couple of occasions, only a couple mins, a very large travel agency based in Ealing has been able to do me transatlantic flights and hotels cheaper than I could find the flights?
 
A380 said:
Is this why on a couple of occasions, only a couple mins, a very large travel agency based in Ealing has been able to do me transatlantic flights and hotels cheaper than I could find the flights?
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No idea, but flight prices are very fluid. Flight Centre will refund the difference or give you a free flight or some such bollocks

‘if at the time of booking you find a cheaper flight’

Think about how that situation could ever happen.


Btw, I tell all potential punters that I can’t guarantee to get the cheapest fares.
 
Another thing I've noticed with air fares is that some on-line agents are selling connecting flights in one transaction but they are not through tickets. Lots of grumbling on-line from people not realising that when they connect they'd have to go through immigration and collect their bags and then check back in an go through emigration. People having problems with the lack of visas and missing connecting flights and there being no recourse to compensation or obligation on the airline to assist.

I understand that its a practice that makes sense in some cases but it seems that people are not being suitably warned by the agent when purchasing.
 
Teaboy said:
Another thing I've noticed with air fares is that some on-line agents are selling connecting flights in one transaction but they are not through tickets. Lots of grumbling on-line from people not realising that when they connect they'd have to go through immigration and collect their bags and then check back in an go through emigration. People having problems with the lack of visas and missing connecting flights and there being no recourse to compensation or obligation on the airline to assist.

I understand that its a practice that makes sense in some cases but it seems that people are not being suitably warned by the agent when purchasing.
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Though that's unavoidable if transiting through the US, sadly. I've seen so many people miss connecting flights after an 11hr London to LA trip, having stood in the immigration line for ages because there's no provision to get them to their next flight in good time. It's ridiculous.
 
Teaboy said:
Another thing I've noticed with air fares is that some on-line agents are selling connecting flights in one transaction but they are not through tickets. Lots of grumbling on-line from people not realising that when they connect they'd have to go through immigration and collect their bags and then check back in an go through emigration. People having problems with the lack of visas and missing connecting flights and there being no recourse to compensation or obligation on the airline to assist.

I understand that its a practice that makes sense in some cases but it seems that people are not being suitably warned by the agent when purchasing.
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skyscraper101 said:
Though that's unavoidable if transiting through the US, sadly. I've seen so many people miss connecting flights after an 11hr London to LA trip, having stood in the immigration line for ages because there's no provision to get them to their next flight in good time. It's ridiculous.
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In the US everyone transiting must enter and then leave the US. Everywhere else you transfer 'airside' and don't enter the country. However if you are on split tickets (London-Frankfurt on a BA ticket, then Frankfurt-Madrid on a separate Lufthansa ticket) you will need to collect bags and check in for your onward flight, and you can't do that without going through immigration, so if you don't leave enough time, or worse, if you don't have permission to enter the middle country, you're fucked and neither carrier will help you. Whereas if you were on one ticket you would just walk off one plane and on to the other and if late arriving in Frankfurt both airlines would work together to get you going again. If you have split tickets but don't have baggage you don't need to go 'landside' if you have your onward boarding pass on.

Agents should warn you about this. I was recently asked to get a woman from Nigeria to London and the client showed me the thing they had found on Skyscanner, it was Air France/KLM; Lagos-Paris-Amsterdam-London. Everyone involved up to the time they showed me thought this would be OK, she had a UK visa and would transit Paris and Amsterdam. However, Paris to Amsterdam is an intra-Schengen flight, so you must enter the Schengen zone first, which you can't on a Nigerian passport with no Schengen visa.
 
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Bahnhof Strasse said:
In the US everyone transiting must enter and then leave the US. Everywhere else you transfer 'airside' and don't enter the country.
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What always used to piss me off (on behalf of the poor sods who ended up missing their connecting flights) - is that there was no help to expedite their entering and exiting. They just got shoved in the same non-US/green card queue as everyone else who didn't have connecting flights and if it took an hour or more, then tough. There was never anybody to express-lane these people through, and many people missed their connections as a result. I'd have gladly stepped aside if I knew someone was about to miss a flight.

As an aside, I almost missed a flight from London to Columbus, Ohio once via Toronto once because of the whole 'entering' the US on the Canadian side adding a ridiculous delay into proceedings.

Load of bollocks.
 
skyscraper101 said:
What always used to piss me off (on behalf of the poor sods who ended up missing their connecting flights) - is that there was no help to expedite their entering and exiting. They just got shoved in the same non-US/green card queue as everyone else who didn't have connecting flights and if it took an hour or more, then tough. There was never anybody to express-lane these people through, and many people missed their connections as a result. I'd have gladly stepped aside if I knew someone was about to miss a flight.

Load of bollocks.
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Yep, it's shit. Even the Air New Zealand London to Auckland which goes via LA, passengers on that have to get off and enter the US. Their checked baggage can stay on board though.

Stupid system.
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
Yep, it's shit. Even the Air New Zealand London to Auckland which goes via LA, passengers on that have to get off and enter the US. Their checked baggage can stay on board though.

Stupid system.
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That was usually the flight I'd use too. I saw nuff pissed off Kiwis anxious about getting back on the flight that their luggage was still on.
 
Various pilots and those familiar with Niarobi airport reckon the individual was airport staff given how difficult it is to get airside there, and that he was probably dead before the aircraft left Kenyan airspace.
 
I was just going to ask if anyone survives these journeys. I wonder what makes the difference between survival and death - is it just luck?
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
Oh, was getting ready to pop outside and have a look, we're on the way from Goodwood to Scotland...
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That's a shame, would be nice to see, certainly sounds the part in that video.

I never even knew it existed and I do some volunteer stuff at Duxford where it was built. They must have been keeping it on the downlow away from humble ground crew.
 
spitfire said:
That's a shame, would be nice to see, certainly sounds the part in that video.

I never even knew it existed and I do some volunteer stuff at Duxford where it was built. They must have been keeping it on the downlow away from humble ground crew.
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We do get some from time to time, especially when they do Wings & Wheels at Dunsfold, the sound of the engine is just something else!
 
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