nino_savatte
No pasaran!
It's interesting that for all its attempts to link ISIS to Hamas, Israel has more in common with the former especially with regards to its callous disregard for human life.
Hamas arnt exactly above summary executions or delibratly targeting civillians pretty much war crimes?
Not exactly sure how they not escape a visit to the hauge?
Not saying israel dont deserve to visit the hauge just that hamas hardly have clean hands.
Hammas have no reguard for palestenian or israeli lives either they just dont have the firepower
In leaked recording, Saeb Erekat compares PA president to Saddam and Assad; says Netanyahu ‘a war criminal’ who’s ‘not worth a bullet'
The source and time of Erekat’s speech were not reported, but in the edited three-minute recording, uploaded to YouTube late Wednesday night by the Awraq News Agency, the Palestinian official accused his president of acting autocratically against the will of a majority of the Palestinian leadership, which voted for a harsher stance against Israel.
“Netanyahu isn’t giving them [the Palestinians] anything. He said that Jerusalem is Israel’s capital, and they have Hebron. This is the man who wants to make peace with us,” Erekat said sardonically.
“No offense, but Abbas is mistaken too,” Erekat continued, reprising a dialogue he conducted with the president.
“Abu Mazen [Abbas], if you want to move Netanyahu, work on the [application] documents for international institutions. He said: I made a commitment’ [not to apply to international institutions]. What commitment have you made? This isn’t your daddy’s farm! This is a nation, this is Palestine. This is bigger than individuals. He didn’t listen to me. I swear, I submitted my resignation twice.”
In his comments, Erekat said there could be no hope of reaching a negotiated solution with Netanyahu. The only way to force the Israeli premier to make concessions is by branding him a war criminal in international courts, he said.
“Without a cane to his ass [Netanyahu won't act]. I don’t say shoot him. He isn’t worth the bullet … he’s ideologically corrupt, I’ve known him for 31 years.”
‘Quite honestly, the Arabs don’t believe you [Abbas],’ Erekat said. ‘They either doubt you, or attack you, or are scared of you.’
“Why did Netanyahu engage in these random negotiations if not to build more settlements? … You, Abu Mazen, have the ability to prevent Netanyahu from traveling anywhere in the world, except from Ben-Gurion airport to New York. He’s a despicable, filthy war criminal. Let him take [the land] from the river to the sea. Did he leave you a [Palestinian] Authority anyway? When you [Abbas] travel from Ramallah to Amman you have to call a lieutenant [at the IDF coordination office] in Beit El and tell him how many cars are traveling with you. They humiliate you.”
I was talking more of hamas habit of summary execution of Gazans and or storing weapons in or near protected structures and hijackng ambulances giving the idf perfect excuse to blow the fuck out of anything it likes, not that it needed any
last time an international aid convoy tried to break the blockade the idf sunk itCan't help wondering where all these disaster relief organisations are? You know,the ones who turn up after a hurricane or an earthquake, I think the Gazans would qualify?
Former Israeli AG: Our government staged the assassination of Al-DaifIn the biggest blow to Israeli propaganda, which claimed that Hamas broke the ceasefire, former Israeli Attorney General Michael Ben Yair has said that "it was Israel who staged the alleged Hamas breach of the ceasefire in order to create the conditions for assassinating Muhammad Al-Daif, Commander-in-Chief of Hamas's military wing, Al-Qassam Brigades.
I was talking more of hamas habit of summary execution of Gazans and or storing weapons in or near protected structures and hijackng ambulances giving the idf perfect excuse to blow the fuck out of anything it likes, not that it needed any
The Lehi also executed those it believed to be collaborators. For Israel to use these executions to bolster their propaganda efforts is frankly ludicrous.I was talking more of hamas habit of summary execution of Gazans and or storing weapons in or near protected structures and hijackng ambulances giving the idf perfect excuse to blow the fuck out of anything it likes, not that it needed any
Unfortunately, where infiltrators/collaborators are concerned, HAMAS have 2 choices:
1) Let the civil authorities (some of whom are collaborators themselves) deal with the matter, which means at least even odds that the collaborator gets to walk away, and perhaps move to the opposite end of the Strip or to the West Bank and start again, or
2) Execute them, with the attendant risk of occasionally executing an innocent.
Frankly, I think that given those options, HAMAS feel that they have Hobsons' Choice with regard to dealing with security threats.
How are you defining 'collaborators' here?
Hamas was in the past happy to accept Israeli state patronage after all.
Those who work with the occupying forces to the detriment of their fellow Gazans.
And because of their past (and we are, as reflected in the historical record, talking about a time when HAMAS were not undertaking armed resistance, but were effectively acting as providers of social services), we should be suspicious of their motives now, or tax them about hypocrisy?
Yes, because of how and why Hamas developed, as a reactionary religious force which enjoyed some support from the Israeli state and played a role in dislodging the previous secular Palestinian leadership, we should be suspicious of them. Very suspicious. I didn't say anything about hypocrisy, you're referring to others comments there.
Lots of sons have been disowned by their fathers. AQ was a product of the US, that does not mean they have American 'values'.
No, of course it doesn't, but the example of Al-Qaeda shows like most other historical examples do that US imperialism prefers funding sectarian religious and ethnic forces to class based secular movements. There is a reason for that, and there is a reason for the preference of Hamas to secular forces; Hamas are opposed to the kind of mass-based resistance which could actually achieve something for the Palestinians.
You underestimate the power of religion. Most empires led through religion. It is more of a potent unifying force than any social led power. Communism lasted only 100 years. Ottoman 600.
For this reason, I believe that Hamas has got the Palestinian backing in the Ghazza strip. And as much as you may not like it, they did win popular vote democratically.
You underestimate the power of religion. Most empires led through religion. It is more of a potent unifying force than any social led power. Communism lasted only 100 years. Ottoman 600.
For this reason, I believe that Hamas has got the Palestinian backing in the Ghazza strip. And as much as you may not like it, they did win popular vote democratically.
Do you think we should abandon class based secular organisations in the UK then, in favour of infinitely more powerful religious orgs?
Hamas has the backing in comparison to who? Fatah? The Israeli state? What has the election got to do with it?
TBH there are not that many empires that led "through religion", though the initial Muslim expansion up to the 11th century is perhaps a rare example of that happening.
Did I say that it should be abandoned?? You have facepalm privilege once you re-read my message and tell me where I said that secular organisations should be abandoned.
Their election result is part of their mass-based resistance.
We have empires led by religion (Muslim and Christian- what were the crusades?), wars driven by religion, battles in the name of religion.
the wars of the reformation, french huegenot expulsions, william of orange invading england etc