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Game of thrones season 8 [contains spoilers]

I agreed with my other half that it'd actually be cool to leave the series with the end of this episode.

I'd had a suspicion the last episode might come down to 'Somebody stop Dany'.

I had more or less correctly called the conclusion of Cleganebowl. :thumbs: Liked the apt way Qyburn met his end.
 
Absolutely shite, tbh.

If they wanted to end it like this, they should've had Dani's descent into Mad Queen happen sooner. The actually idea isn't bad, but the execution is awful.

Very well made episode that felt exciting and tense (in the battles) but makes very little sense.

Also, there were bits of Wildfire exploding at random, which I expected to go boom big time, but that never really happened either.

Meh.
Liked the apt way Qyburn met his end.
Best bit of the episode :thumbs:
 
Arya has hand? You've lost the plot.
She didn't want to be Lady of Stormsend let alone a hand.

I'm hoping she'll change her mind on Stormsend. Gendry ain't the sort to insist she wear lady's gowns n shit. She can be a tomboy noble and fuck anyone who disagrees.
Hmm. Why might Arya want a job where she works to defend the people she loves? Why might she like that more than having no job beyond being an aristo?

No wonder feminists are tricky for you, conceptually...
 
I kind of thought we'd seen the end of Arya. She disappeared into the distance with no-one to see.

Probably wouldn't just leave her family like that, though. Headed back to Winterfell.

Like how they cut away from her actually mounting the horse, though. She could probably have climbed up via some of the rubble, but not quite the heroic moment they were going for :D
 
My final prediction:

Dani kills Sansa and tries to burn Jon. But he's also made of asbestos so he lives and kills her instead. Dragon bites him in half and goes to live somewhere warmer now his story arc is over.

Bran becomes heir to the throne. But with the actual Iron Throne gone, he doesn't think it's worth it so declares FULL COMMUNISM in an epic speech about the rights of man and the tyranny of royalty.

Everyone lives happily ever after in a classless society.
 
Hmm. Why might Arya want a job where she works to defend the people she loves? Why might she like that more than having no job beyond being an aristo?

No wonder feminists are tricky for you, conceptually...
Why would she want a job with so many constraints?
A job that killed her father.

When instead she can have no job at all and be free to act as she chooses.

I don't think you understand Arya and her whole I'm not a lady.
 
"Subverting expectations" is the way directors and producers explain away illogical shifts that break characterisations for the pure shock. Unexpected events that are within character are great drama, simply having someone slaughter civilians to "shock" the audience without motivation is melodrama. Had Daenerys gone full Bomber Harris Dresden mode after the beheading of Missandei it would have been a natural plot beat for a character to break emotionally. But when the bells were ringing? Then have Grey Worm and the Unsullied turn on civilians as the armies were surrendering and the battle won? Cheap and unearned.

The irony is this has been flagged since season two in with the changes to her vision in the House of the Undying on the TV show that showed the burnt out throne room and her not getting the seat, they have tried to show it in her character in places like the burning of the Tarleys. The reveal to Samwell gave emotional weight to the impact of her actions.

Thing is this might be from the GRRM outline for the book plot, it may be foreshadowed by the Battle of the Bells where Jon Connington did not burn the town Robert Baratheon was hiding in that helped him escape and get the rebellion underway. Many suggested Tywin would have just burned the town. (The town were ringing the bells to alert Baratheon), but its pretty unlikely it will be written this way. But hey, that the book wanker in me.
 
"Subverting expectations" is the way directors and producers explain away illogical shifts that break characterisations for the pure shock. Unexpected events that are within character are great drama, simply having someone slaughter civilians to "shock" the audience without motivation is melodrama. Had Daenerys gone full Bomber Harris Dresden mode after the beheading of Missandei it would have been a natural plot beat for a character to break emotionally. But when the bells were ringing? Then have Grey Worm and the Unsullied turn on civilians as the armies were surrendering and the battle won? Cheap and unearned.

The irony is this has been flagged since season two in with the changes to her vision in the House of the Undying on the TV show that showed the burnt out throne room and her not getting the seat, they have tried to show it in her character in places like the burning of the Tarleys. The reveal to Samwell gave emotional weight to the impact of her actions.

Thing is this might be from the GRRM outline for the book plot, it may be foreshadowed by the Battle of the Bells where Jon Connington did not burn the town Robert Baratheon was hiding in that helped him escape and get the rebellion underway. Many suggested Tywin would have just burned the town. (The town were ringing the bells to alert Baratheon), but its pretty unlikely it will be written this way. But hey, that the book wanker in me.
It's been clumsily handled, but it's utterly in character for her to massacre people.
 
That hit much harder than the whole battle of the dead. Fantastic spectacle (go Drogon!) followed by horror upon horror (um, stop Drogon!)

I actually really liked Arya's arc - more of her wavering between the things she's been trained for / thinks she wants and the young woman trying to work out wtf is going on in her life, or indeed in life full stop.
 
My final prediction:

Dani kills Sansa and tries to burn Jon. But he's also made of asbestos so he lives and kills her instead. Dragon bites him in half and goes to live somewhere warmer now his story arc is over.

Bran becomes heir to the throne. But with the actual Iron Throne gone, he doesn't think it's worth it so declares FULL COMMUNISM in an epic speech about the rights of man and the tyranny of royalty.

Everyone lives happily ever after in a classless society.

Was there a vote? There has to be a vote, otherwise it's not full communism.
- Fred Kite (Band of Brothers SPGB branch)
 
Did anyone else spend the whole episode
waiting to find out what amazing surprise plan Cersei had for when Dany reached the Red Keep, only to be completely let down when she turned into a whiny baby feeling sorry for herself, in a complete 180 from her character for the entire rest of the 8 seasons?
:mad:

Cersei has been poorly served all series. She's had about five minutes of screen time prior to this episode.
 
An okay episode and one of the better ones. Nice scene between Jamie and Tyrion. I felt that the Ayra and hound moment could have been good had it have been built over a couple of episodes. I think Ayra will go on to fuck up Danny after she's scene all the terror.

Varys' end annoyed me, this is one of the best plotters in history, and he literally falls apart within seconds? Goes to Jon who is totally on love with Danny? Not buying that.
 
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Manc Stark

Yorkshire, surely?

I think you can sum up my thoughts about the final season as some great ideas and spectacle, sloppily and hastily executed. I think so many of the complaints people have would have been nullified by a few more episodes allowing for less breakneck character change.

That said, still liked this episode. Thought Emilia Clarke sold the hell out of Danys anger.
 
And I heard, as it were, the noise of thunder: one of the four beasts saying: "Come and see." And I saw. And behold, a white horse.

Arya is become Death.
Yeah, I spotted the symbolism of that too, although the white horse represents conquest - it's the pale horse which is death, though I'm guessing death is what they had in mind, as in Childish Gambino's This is America video.

Not sure the GoT writers were going for anything so deep though lol. Arya being covered in white ash and becoming a Pale Rider is probably the extent of it, but I wouldn't be surprised if the writers at this point let that trail off into zero payoff.

Interestingly there's an oil-covered horse in Jarhead in the middle of the burning oil fields. Black horse - judgement/famine.
 
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I’m all for willingly suspending my disbelief but there’s subversion and then there’s downright nonsense and this episode was full of that.

The main issue is Dany’s descent into madness, I just don’t buy it. Emilia Clarke did a great job of trying to sell us this but it doesn’t add up at all. The bell rang, there was absolutely no reason whatsoever to do that. She even said to Tyrion beforehand not to let him down. It was agreed. I also don’t buy Grey Worm doing that either. Yes Missandie was executed but he’s noble, he was a slave himself but suddenly shows no empathy to innocent people?

The writers clearly had an ending in mind and have written backwards to shoehorn everything in but it doesn’t work. Dany cried when a dragon burnt a little child to death in one of the earlier seasons, and now she’s just going around killing thousands of innocent people in a city that’s already surrendered? Please.

There’s lots of other little things that annoyed me too. The ‘love’ between Jon and Dany was never believable, as good a actors as they are, they just don’t have that chemistry that say Jon and Ygritte had and that scene in the room just annoyed me. Jon’s like ‘I love you’ and she tries to kiss him and he refuses so she tells him to leave. What was that all about?

Also the scorpions, in the previous episode they took Rhaegal out with 3 arrows in quick succession and then managed to fire what seemed like a gazillion arrows at Drogon straight after it. This episode they’re running around trying to get two shots off before she destroys the whole Iron fleet. Why didn’t she do that in the previous episode? Not to mention the ones at King’s Landing I don’t think they managed to get a single shot off. She just goes around willy nilly destroying everything and everyone. All she had to do was when the bell rang, fly over to the red keep and incinerate it job done but no, we have to set up this final episode.

On the plus side this episode was excellently shot, the scene with Jamie and Tyrion was touching and I thought Cleganebowl was entertaining.

Maybe I am analysing this to death too much, it’s still entertaining but perhaps I had too high expectations coming into this last season.
 
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