Game of Thrones Season 7 - Monday Morning Torrenters Thread
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Gromit
International Man of Misery
In the books he's known as Cold Hands, a mysterious black brother who has somehow kept his freewill. Him popping up was so deux I groaned.
Plumdaff
joy in people
One hell of an episode.
Why is Arya so fucking petulant and stupid. I did slightly hope that she'd already got Baelish's face and was testing Sansa but no, she's just concrete and threatening.
Will Cersei trying to kill Brennan be what finally turns Jaime against her?
ICE DRAGON. will it breathe ice death?
Will Cersei trying to kill Brennan be what finally turns Jaime against her?
ICE DRAGON. will it breathe ice death?
joustmaster
offcumdun
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Jon would be dead from hypothermia and the raven would never have got to Dragonstone in time. All very silly. Also Arya is being a dick.
gawkrodger
Well-Known Member
Would the whole being brought back from the dead enable him to last longer? But yes, the somewhat flexible approach to time the writers this season have used, and which could logically be explained away in previous episodes, falls utterly on its face this episode. But then it's full of dragons and armies of the undead so who gives a fuck.
Arya is acting like a stereotypical teenager
Arya is acting like a stereotypical teenager
Fez909
toilet expert
dragon stone ain't far from kings landing, which itself is 1500 miles from winter fell.
Winter fell is 630 miles from castle black.
So let's be generous and say because they were only going to east watch, it's a fair bit closer. Say 580 miles. And knock a couple of hundred off because dragon stone is further north than kings landing, leaving 1200+580=1780 miles.
The fastest pigeons can do 50mph and maester eamon said ravens are faster. Let's assume doubly faster...because fantasy.
So 100mph would mean about 18 hours flying for the raven alone.
Then we need to factor in gendry's travel time. He's running, and unburdened, so it will be a lot quicker than how long it took them to get there. Let's say they've spent a few hours or beyond the wall. 5 maybe. Gendry covers it in three. So we're up to 21 hours.
Dragons are much faster. The largest pterosaurs had wingspan of 10 metres and flew about 100kmph. Dragons seems to be about 30 metres? So they'd have to fly much faster just to stay in the air. Let's ignore the fact that Dany couldn't hold on at these speeds and day they fly at least 300kmph. Convert to miles and add some fantasy blocks and say 400mph.
Do the dragons take 5 hours to reach Jon, assuming they knew where to find him. Gendy obviously gave precise GPS coordinates
Now were at 26 hours.
They set off at what time? I don't remember. But it was daylight, or early, I think. And they slept during the siege, so it was definitely overnight. But it's pushing it to say this could've all happened in that time frame. But it's not a million miles out, with a bit of artistic license.
Winter fell is 630 miles from castle black.
So let's be generous and say because they were only going to east watch, it's a fair bit closer. Say 580 miles. And knock a couple of hundred off because dragon stone is further north than kings landing, leaving 1200+580=1780 miles.
The fastest pigeons can do 50mph and maester eamon said ravens are faster. Let's assume doubly faster...because fantasy.
So 100mph would mean about 18 hours flying for the raven alone.
Then we need to factor in gendry's travel time. He's running, and unburdened, so it will be a lot quicker than how long it took them to get there. Let's say they've spent a few hours or beyond the wall. 5 maybe. Gendry covers it in three. So we're up to 21 hours.
Dragons are much faster. The largest pterosaurs had wingspan of 10 metres and flew about 100kmph. Dragons seems to be about 30 metres? So they'd have to fly much faster just to stay in the air. Let's ignore the fact that Dany couldn't hold on at these speeds and day they fly at least 300kmph. Convert to miles and add some fantasy blocks and say 400mph.
Do the dragons take 5 hours to reach Jon, assuming they knew where to find him. Gendy obviously gave precise GPS coordinates
Now were at 26 hours.
They set off at what time? I don't remember. But it was daylight, or early, I think. And they slept during the siege, so it was definitely overnight. But it's pushing it to say this could've all happened in that time frame. But it's not a million miles out, with a bit of artistic license.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
it seems the ice wights have the advantage over the fire-wights/humans when it comes to retaining the knowledge of the past during long summers. The walkers had so closely passed into myth thot everyone just assumed Jon Snow is mental or full of shit.
conversely, the cold ones. Dragon turns up and they don't even blink 'oh aye, one of those. Pass yon ice spear matey'
makes qyburns little toy look a bit shit doesn't it.
conversely, the cold ones. Dragon turns up and they don't even blink 'oh aye, one of those. Pass yon ice spear matey'
makes qyburns little toy look a bit shit doesn't it.
The Octagon
Stop...Hammertime
Holy Shit.
Knew a Dragon wasn't long for this world but that scene was more visceral and sad than I was expecting, the screams of rage from the other dragons as Viserion bled out and smashed into the ice, serious chills.
Definitely thought Tormund was a goner too, they sold that scene well with his panic and fear. Glad to see him survive although it did make the stakes feel a little less high after we watched nameless mooks die alongside our heroes, but only Thoros actually succumb from the main group. Thought for certain Beric would die as well, sexy voice and all.
Ignoring the now recurring time / distance issues with the plot (that's a fucking fast Gendry / Raven / Dragon turnaround), the only other sour note is how weirdly Arya is behaving. Even if she did resent Sansa, this whole creepy vibe thing is just offputting and seems to be time-filler before they inevitableably figure out Littlefinger's game and brutally end him (please). Also Maisie Williams' acting and accent in the monologue about Ned and the archery practise was terrible, took me right out of the show.
Great to see that Dany and Jon have genuine chemistry in their scenes, everything's been building towards them meeting and so far it hasn't disappointed at all. As mentioned before, Emilia Clarke has really stepped it up this last season
Finally - The Hound is heading south.....
Knew a Dragon wasn't long for this world but that scene was more visceral and sad than I was expecting, the screams of rage from the other dragons as Viserion bled out and smashed into the ice, serious chills.
Definitely thought Tormund was a goner too, they sold that scene well with his panic and fear. Glad to see him survive although it did make the stakes feel a little less high after we watched nameless mooks die alongside our heroes, but only Thoros actually succumb from the main group. Thought for certain Beric would die as well, sexy voice and all.
Ignoring the now recurring time / distance issues with the plot (that's a fucking fast Gendry / Raven / Dragon turnaround), the only other sour note is how weirdly Arya is behaving. Even if she did resent Sansa, this whole creepy vibe thing is just offputting and seems to be time-filler before they inevitableably figure out Littlefinger's game and brutally end him (please). Also Maisie Williams' acting and accent in the monologue about Ned and the archery practise was terrible, took me right out of the show.
Great to see that Dany and Jon have genuine chemistry in their scenes, everything's been building towards them meeting and so far it hasn't disappointed at all. As mentioned before, Emilia Clarke has really stepped it up this last season
Finally - The Hound is heading south.....
The Octagon
Stop...Hammertime
Knock it off yeah?
You don't have the excuse of not knowing about spoiler tags as you've used them before, and clearly loads of people won't get to see the leaked ep straight away, stop being a prick and deliberately ruining people's enjoyment of something they've invested in.
I hope you're banned off the thread tbh, you're clearly doing it on purpose.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Actually it is a spoiler. Because it is signalling a change in behaviour some might not be expecting. You are thereby robbing them of their emotional reactions to this sudden change.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Seemed like they were expecting the dragons if anything. Could team Night King have their own Bran stark type figure? Could it be a now-zombified Max Von Sydow?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
OK so the zombie dragon twist was cool, but with hindsight it was necessary to resolve the otherwise daft power differential between Dany and everyone else. The dragons' mortality also needed to be confirmed after the previous battle. But so much contrived bollocks was needed to get there. Or not needed, it could all just have been written properly.
The bit with Jon not-drowning then getting rescued by Benjen was clearly put in as an excuse for that tender bedroom scene (when did Jon ever hear anyone call Dany Dany? Never, he just guessed because the special moment required it) which could just as easily have been arrived at by them dragging a wounded, unconscious Jon back on the dragon with the rest of them. There's no way Jon could've thought he was gonna hack through 10,000 zombies to get a crack at the Night King, but he went for it anyway because nonsense.
Probably they also want to start snipping off character arcs in preparation for a nice tidy ending. And we can now assume that Benjen is dead. Or more dead. Double dead? No longer relevant to the plot. But then he wasn't really that relevant in the first place, just a plot device to get Jon to join the Night's Watch in the first place.
The bit with Jon not-drowning then getting rescued by Benjen was clearly put in as an excuse for that tender bedroom scene (when did Jon ever hear anyone call Dany Dany? Never, he just guessed because the special moment required it) which could just as easily have been arrived at by them dragging a wounded, unconscious Jon back on the dragon with the rest of them. There's no way Jon could've thought he was gonna hack through 10,000 zombies to get a crack at the Night King, but he went for it anyway because nonsense.
Probably they also want to start snipping off character arcs in preparation for a nice tidy ending. And we can now assume that Benjen is dead. Or more dead. Double dead? No longer relevant to the plot. But then he wasn't really that relevant in the first place, just a plot device to get Jon to join the Night's Watch in the first place.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
This. If
Jon's fucking uncle returns from the dead for another Deus Ex Machina last minute rescue of yet another Stark I'll lose it. He's like the AA of the North, "Hark someone's in trouble north of the Wall, best trot on over because I'm always five minutes from EVERYWHERE there."
joustmaster
offcumdun
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
Benjen wasn't just turned, he was made. He told Bran about it, obsidian in the heart, flaming weapon, all that. Given he's a ranger he's probably been following this army of the dead for years, hence he finds the Starks as they encounter it. I don't see him as a deus ex machina, his story fits and his right place/right time presence is logical (enough)
What bothers me is how this magically-transformed undead ranger made with a heart of obsidian like the white walkers, doesn't have any ability to turn or destroy the zombies; once he runs put of morningstar space he gets chomped (at least it looked that way)
That's rubbish fantasy writing.
What bothers me is how this magically-transformed undead ranger made with a heart of obsidian like the white walkers, doesn't have any ability to turn or destroy the zombies; once he runs put of morningstar space he gets chomped (at least it looked that way)
That's rubbish fantasy writing.
imposs1904
Thread Killa'
don't bring football into this.
imposs1904
Thread Killa'
Meera Reed's below Podrick and Tyrion? Get fucked.
imposs1904
Thread Killa'
I had to watch it as well. I couldn't rely on some fucker spoiling it for me between now and Sunday. If anyone wants a link to where you can watch it online, PM me.
Nine Bob Note
Self-Isolating before it was fashionable
imposs1904
Thread Killa'
Everyone is below Podrick.
The guy behind him is giving you the secret vickeys by way of a response.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Meera's probaby supposed to be 13 or something but the actress who plays her is hot.
e2a: Or a less creepy way of saying that.
imposs1904
Thread Killa'
aren't they all supposed supposed to teenagers in the books? . . . except melisandre; she's in her late twenties.
bendeus
Bellend Tagline Generator
Do you piss on the bog seat for shits and giggles as well?
