marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
not personally tbf - more like a life sentenceit's a benefit?
'First' riot-related eviction notice served by Wandsworth Council
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I have other issues but they'd be off topic. I'm not sure where we are in the serious/parody cycle though.
Treacle Toes
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So people who break the law and live in private accommodation are okay but if they pay their rent to the local council they are personas non gratas?
Nice.
Nice.
weltweit
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Yes, that seems strange, but I expect even people living in private accommodation would be for the high jump if they were caught carrying a wide screen TV out of Currys hours after the store had closed!
Treacle Toes
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Not true in terms of the security of their housing contracts.
weltweit
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I was meaning more that they would not escape punishment because they were private tenants.
Treacle Toes
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They would be entitled, under the current law however to keep/stay in their homes. There is a strange mix going on, extension of housing contract agreements etc and I am not sure it's actually legal. All people with criminal records are 'unentitled' to state housing?
cantsin
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fuck 'em, all this gleeful retribution is going to come back to haunt them long term
weltweit
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That is probably not possible, anyhow they should get community punishments, I think that would be more appropriate than evictions or custodial sentences. Make them put something into the community they damaged.
Treacle Toes
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In theory. However, the majority of the looters/rioters did not loot their own community, the majority of the places looted may well be owned by people/co porations that do not exist as 'people' in the local community...they are a commercial presence, nothing more.
weltweit
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Sure, you have a point.
Well I see no one has mentioned asbos!
But to my mind putting youth into prison criminalises them more than they were already and then when they come out they are super tough kids - who have survived prison - even less likely to (in some cases) to socialise into society.anyone here live in a council house? I do and in truth, councils seem to believe they have some moral right to dictate whether we are seen as fit and decent - they suggest a council house is a priveledge. Well fuck me, I pay my rent and have done for 26 years. Why should fucking LANDLORDS dictate punishments that are even more draconian than a standard court of law. Homeowners obviously live on some superior plane....even renters in the private sector do not find themselves evicted for committing a criminal act. Why do we tenants have to continue to jump through these humiliating hoops
I don't think publishing addresses would be a good idea.
roctrevezel
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Actually they do but it is not very common. Also some housing associations have stricter rules on tenancy agreements than local authorities do.
I lived in council housing for the first 29 years of my life until 1977, and there were some pretty "social engineering" types of do's and dont's in the rules in the rent book back then.
weltweit
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But I think campanula is questioning whether this is right, not that it exists, it obviously does.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
The tenancy conditions are fairly archaic, haven't really been changed for years, mostly it is common sense, and very few tenants get into trouble with the conditions. A lot of the conditions are routinely ignored by Housing Staff, If your garden is overgrown that could be a breach of the the tenancy, but no judge would give a possession order based on an untidy garden. Satelite dishes are breaches of tenancy conditions but Councils tend to turn a blind eye to them as you would have to take millions of tenants to court. Pets can be breaches of tenancy conditions - again if the pets aren't causing any problems, there is no point taking any action.
AKA pseudonym
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NO to EVICTIONS
Location: 53A St Ann's Hill Wandsworth London SW18 2EZ
Time: Thursday, 18 August 2011 17:00
feckin trots have hijacked this 'event' page and deleted all admins... including those who set it up....
stoopid boy.....
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
Isn't collective punishment contrary to the Human Rights we've signed up to? I'm not comparing Wandsworth Council to Nazi Germany but I must admit the word Sippenhaft crossed my mind.
weltweit
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But campanula you presumably don't want to go out rioting so what other regulations are getting on your tits?
no. i didn't want to riot but i did want to grow a few weed plants in my greenhouse......and yep, i got busted, cautioned and threatened by the police that they could release my details to the local council. Yikes....my home for over 30 years, never been in arrears, exemplary neighbour etc.etc. gone for what is basically a misdemeanor.
oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
I find the supposition that looters etc will be council or 'social' housing tenants really abhorrent on two levels:
- there's the seemingly automatic assumption that rioters/looters will be councils or 'social' housing tenants
- punishment for rioting/looting is not tenure-neutral, as was the case with ASBOs.
- there's the seemingly automatic assumption that rioters/looters will be councils or 'social' housing tenants
- punishment for rioting/looting is not tenure-neutral, as was the case with ASBOs.
weltweit
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That is rough, I doubt a few weed plants would have caused a local crime spree.
What happenned, did some nosey neighbour report you?
AKA pseudonym
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'feckin trots have hijacked this 'event' page and deleted all admins... including those who set it up...'.
stoopid boy.....
who has hijacked it?
A certain individual who is a member of the SP in Wales... he's not even based in London where the event is planned...
tbh: have been in contact with other SP members who know him and he is acting alone, bit of a nutjob by all accounts... he has until 2pm today to remedy the situation...
And now a Manchester family facing eviction.....
AKA pseudonym
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EVICTION OF FAMILIES BREACHES LAW
International law prohibits collective punishment, i.e. the punishment of persons for acts committed by others (article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention and Article 50 of the Hague Regulations). Evictions also breach the principle of double jeopardy-ie the same act should not be punished twice. However maintaining international law where vulnerable people are concerned has never been a high priority of governments has it? Unless they have oil...
International law prohibits collective punishment, i.e. the punishment of persons for acts committed by others (article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention and Article 50 of the Hague Regulations). Evictions also breach the principle of double jeopardy-ie the same act should not be punished twice. However maintaining international law where vulnerable people are concerned has never been a high priority of governments has it? Unless they have oil...
'Right or wrong, that impatience is likely to affect attitudes found in police stations, benefit offices, housing departments, social services and the courts. People will be made to take responsibility for the lives and actions, even if that is sometimes unjust and they have not the slightest experience of doing so.
"These people are going to be treated much more harshly. Society has lost patience with them and in this "fight back" there will be much that is unfair and indiscriminate. Right or wrong, that impatience..."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentis...mark-duggan?commentpage=all#start-of-comments
Dreadful piece by Henry Porter who has clearly shifted even more rightwards going by his tone.
"These people are going to be treated much more harshly. Society has lost patience with them and in this "fight back" there will be much that is unfair and indiscriminate. Right or wrong, that impatience..."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentis...mark-duggan?commentpage=all#start-of-comments
Dreadful piece by Henry Porter who has clearly shifted even more rightwards going by his tone.
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