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No, 9th one. Came out two days ago.
Fargo (TV series)
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Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
So there will be 10 episodes in total?
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
IMDb is your invaluable and trusty friend:
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
IMDb is your invaluable and trusty friend:
Why look up stuff when you can ask people on here?
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
I provided the answer!
tommers
It was... Rebekah Vardy's account
It's all set up.Penultimate episode is fucking ace
JimW
支那暗杀团
Really took the biscuit.
So, so good. A drama is made or unmade by its final episode. Not just whether all the strands are tied up, but also does it mean anything? What is the overarching theme — does the author have anything they are trying to say? And that’s rare these days. Mostly stuff just happens then it stops happening.
Fargo has always been about the superiority of simple, everyday life and basic love over the lure of grandiosity, excitement, money and violence. The original film, for example, focussed on the contrast between the pregnant cop’s fulfilling marriage versus the ultimately empty actions of the kidnappers. But this last series really pitched that narrative to perfection. What would have been the denouement in a lesser drama — the shoot-out at the ranch — was just the precursor to the real ending of the story it wanted to tell. The message of the joy of a simple life lived with others, and that forgiveness beats any amount of revenge and debt. And didn’t they pull that off beautifully? The final scene meant everything because of all the violence and bitterness that the previous 9.75 episodes had created. Wonderful.
Special mention to the acting of Munch and Dorothy/Nadine. Those two on screen together was always just breathtaking.
Fargo has always been about the superiority of simple, everyday life and basic love over the lure of grandiosity, excitement, money and violence. The original film, for example, focussed on the contrast between the pregnant cop’s fulfilling marriage versus the ultimately empty actions of the kidnappers. But this last series really pitched that narrative to perfection. What would have been the denouement in a lesser drama — the shoot-out at the ranch — was just the precursor to the real ending of the story it wanted to tell. The message of the joy of a simple life lived with others, and that forgiveness beats any amount of revenge and debt. And didn’t they pull that off beautifully? The final scene meant everything because of all the violence and bitterness that the previous 9.75 episodes had created. Wonderful.
Special mention to the acting of Munch and Dorothy/Nadine. Those two on screen together was always just breathtaking.
Yes, but also: The epigraph at the beginning of the series was about Minnesota Nice. Was this scene also the triumph off passive aggressive Minnesota Niceness over the unholy might of an immortal warrior?
tommers
It was... Rebekah Vardy's account
Yeah, it was a tie up to that. I don't know if it was passive aggressive though. She just overrode it with niceness, and that was really all he ever wanted.
Incidentally I have also just started watching Ted Lasso and when I realised why she looked familiar. Well. She's a good actor!
It’s also so good to have a drama where you can actually have a discussion about what it means — what its philosophical position is all about, what element of the human condition it’s trying to draw out. It really shows up the paucity of depth to most of the so-called golden age of TV.
I thought that initially but then, it makes sense if you see the whole thing as an exploration of worldviews related to debt and obligations. Lorraine is the embodiment of the unforgiving creditor, and she embodies that until the end. In many ways, little else separates Lorraine from Dot, who epitomises understanding and forgiveness. They are very similar characters but for that aspect. But that difference is crucial. Who is the better off spiritually of these two, in spite of Lorraine’s wealth and power? Who is happier?
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SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I'd say it was an argument for genuine kindness over superficial 'niceness'. We'd seen Dot's ferocity, ingenuity, tenacity. We'd also seen her go through the motions of pretending everything was fine even when it was falling apart. But where the story ends is with her showing real kindness and charity. That is what finally brings the cycle of cruelty and greed to an end.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
At the end of season 2, Kirsten Dunst is still trying to do 'Minnesota nice' in a doomed attempt to fend off the realisation of what has happened. At the end of this one there were no delusions, nothing fake left standing. Tillman's delusions of his own power finally fall away before our eyes. Dot acknowledges that her reunion with Linda had only ever been a dream.
In the final scene Scotty looks at the strange visitor with nothing but trust in her eyes, not because she's stupid or naive but because she can see that there's a good man in there somewhere. And she can see that because she's been raised by kind and decent people. She's been through a lot of shit by this point but she trusts Munch, and trusts her mother to deal with whatever happens. That faith is not only justified, it allows Munch's redemption to happen.
In the final scene Scotty looks at the strange visitor with nothing but trust in her eyes, not because she's stupid or naive but because she can see that there's a good man in there somewhere. And she can see that because she's been raised by kind and decent people. She's been through a lot of shit by this point but she trusts Munch, and trusts her mother to deal with whatever happens. That faith is not only justified, it allows Munch's redemption to happen.
And Wayne. Let’s not forget him. The man who came through his experiences unchanged in terms of trust and goodwill. His mother squeezes debtors but he gives them brand new cars for free. The opposite counterpart to Roy. He never questions Munch’s presence, just gives him a bottle of pop.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
The more I think about it the more this has been my favourite of all the seasons so far.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Yeah it was excellent all the way through but the ending really lifted the whole thing to another level.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Loved it & yes unusually great final episode. Struggling to think of any series that has ended just so satisfyingly.
High Voltage
In the top 97% of Urban's most interesting posters
As usual, the Voltz household is fashionably late to this series. Starting off with a (small c) conservative, single episode on the first night. A general inability to locate anything we both wanted to watch led to a two episode binge last night. So far it seems to be working for both of us
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Stay off the thread then, it's very spoilery.
High Voltage
In the top 97% of Urban's most interesting posters
I often read the last chapter of books first, so not a problem. But thanks for the warning
Idris2002
Christmas Eve, you know?
Just seen episode 1. The kind of "prestige TV" that demonstrates the limits of the medium. The use of light in the shootout scenes was begging for the full cinema treatment. I was very pleasantly surprised by how good this one was. Will be sticking with it until the end.Very good first couple of episodes. As the critics are saying, a return to form. Juno Temple is great
T & P
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You ensure you do that, because it is a great season, I’d say nothing less than joint second best.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Just finished it last night, another absolute cracker. Juno Temple is astoundingly good (and I've just discovered she is the niece of Nina 'CPGB' Temple, what a lass).
I'm not wholly convinced it was as mom n apple pie as some of the above comments make it sound (they could only be so nice because of a show of overwhelming force, after all) but if liberalism was as nice as this, then there'd be a hope for it.
I'm not wholly convinced it was as mom n apple pie as some of the above comments make it sound (they could only be so nice because of a show of overwhelming force, after all) but if liberalism was as nice as this, then there'd be a hope for it.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Munch's story was nonsense. It doesn't matter though.
Nanker Phelge
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
That series was great. A welcome return to form after a patchy season 4. Juno Temple was incredible.
