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Since Covid i've been wfh and can honestly say I, and our team, are more productive. This is both because us humans are adaptive and that the tools are becoming so damn good. Slack is an absolute marvel at capturing and surfacing knowledge that otherwise stays locked inside peoples' heads. If they can do something similar but mix in some measure of real time collaborativeness then office workplaces are gonna become unnecessary for increasing sections of the workforce
 
paul mckenna said:
Since Covid i've been wfh and can honestly say I, and our team, are more productive. This is both because us humans are adaptive and that the tools are becoming so damn good. Slack is an absolute marvel at capturing and surfacing knowledge that otherwise stays locked inside peoples' heads. If they can do something similar but mix in some measure of real time collaborativeness then office workplaces are gonna become unnecessary for increasing sections of the workforce
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What is Slack exactly? Ive had a look at the website but nonethewiser
 
In its latest (and last) pre-Christmas document reveal, European privacy advocacy group, noyb, has published details of an 86-page internal assessment by Facebook of its (continued) transfers of European’s personal data to the US — and the resulting conclusion can be best summed up as ‘The Emperor, Mark Zuckerberg, Has No Clothes’.

The convoluted back story here is that Facebook’s transfers of EU users’ data to the US remain ongoing — in spite of two rulings by the bloc’s top court finding the US is a risky jurisdiction for such data (aka Schrems I and Schrems II); and a preliminary order by Facebook’s lead EU DPA, over a year ago, saying it must suspend EU-US transfers in the wake of the aforementioned Schrems II ruling.
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techcrunch.com

Facebook's TIA shows it has no legal leg to stand on: noyb

In its latest (and last) pre-Christmas document reveal, European privacy advocacy group noyb has published details of an 86-page internal assessment by
techcrunch.com techcrunch.com
noyb.eu

4th Advent Reading: Facebook fully ignores "Schrems" rulings by Court of Justice

In today's Advent Reading, we will discussFacebook's 86 page "Transfer Impact Assessment" that ignores two CJEU rulings.
noyb.eu noyb.eu

If you're still on Facebook, where do you think your data is?
 
Kate Wagner is great:
www.gawker.com

Even Walmart Is Worse in the Metaverse

I prefer real life to whatever this will be
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Perhaps the most unsettling thing about the Walmart video is that one is not sure where, physically the viewer is doing their Metaverse shopping. At first I assumed this ordeal took place at home, the shopper sitting alone in a dark room, connected by all kinds of wires to a virtual reality headset. But then came the bit about your car being in the Oil and Lube shop around the back, the bit about the TV being delivered via drone. No, there can only be one conclusion: The viewer has driven to Walmart and instead of simply doing their shopping in the real world, has been hooked up to a Metaverse VR station located, I don't know, maybe somewhere near customer service. If you think this is beyond stupid, congratulations — you are a well-adjusted member of society.

This touches on perhaps the core of the so-called Metaverse proposal: that even boring things like meetings are exciting by virtue of being there. Tech companies like Meta (aka Facebook) literally believe this shitty, poorly animated, barely spatialized reality is better than real life, some kind of improvement on the grubbly real world. It is not, which is why it sells itself via ads that are deterritorialized, deliberately ambiguous about what is real and what is online — it needs this blurry distinction to look sexy, to make it seem like the future, an alternative and credible space, to blur the truth which is that you're wearing a headset shopping at Walmart.

Hence, the Walmart scenario is presented as an augmentation to a quotidian task operating in the real world, or so I initially thought. But there is a possibility even more depressing than “sitting in a Walmart wearing a headset.” What if I don't actually have a car in the Oil and Lube Shop because I really am at home in a dark room hooked up to wires? The car is my Metaverse car, the TV is my Metaverse TV, the milk is my Metaverse milk, all paid for in real money of course. Do I drive back to my shitty Metaverse apartment that I rent from my Metaverse landlord because we've already financialized real estate in the Metaverse which means I'm probably priced out of homebuying there too?
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I don't get it. Why would I want to fuck around with such an incredibly clumsy interface, while wearing a headset, just to do some gods-damned grocery shopping? What actual advantages, apart from "ooh shiny", is granted by using VR for this kind of thing? As opposed to just going to the store or visiting the website?

It is just so bizarre to me. The promise of VR, to me at least, is the ability to "go to" places that one could never visit, even theoretically. One of the things I'm looking forward to when I eventually get a Valve Index (fuck Oculus VR for selling their souls to Facebook), is being able to use Space Engine to visit alien worlds or hang around the event horizon of a black hole. That's the kind of awesome shit that makes VR worth it. Not this fucking Shopping Channel bullshit.
 
www.theguardian.com

Meta sued for £2.3bn over claim Facebook users in UK were exploited

Lawsuit claims company set ‘unfair price’ by taking users’ personal data without proper compensation
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The case argues that Meta has broken the 1998 Competition Act by setting an “unfair price” for Facebook’s UK users when they are given access to the service. The lawsuit brought by the legal expert Dr Liza Lovdahl Gormsen argues that the price for getting on Facebook, which does not charge its users, is handing over personal data that generates most of the company’s income.
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:eek: Quite an interesting and perhaps unexpected case here.
 
Those are funny to me, because somebody on Reddit told me that Facebook rebranding itself as "Meta" was supposed to be some kind of clever ploy to fend off legal challenges. Doesn't seem to be working that well so far, does it?
 
NoXion said:
Those are funny to me, because somebody on Reddit told me that Facebook rebranding itself as "Meta" was supposed to be some kind of clever ploy to fend off legal challenges. Doesn't seem to be working that well so far, does it?
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I'm not sure about clever ploy, but more to do with not allowing the toxic Facebook brand to pollute the rest of the "family". Instagram, WhatsApp, Oculus, etc. But, yeah, I don't think it really works either.
 
NoXion said:
I don't get it. Why would I want to fuck around with such an incredibly clumsy interface, while wearing a headset, just to do some gods-damned grocery shopping? What actual advantages, apart from "ooh shiny", is granted by using VR for this kind of thing? As opposed to just going to the store or visiting the website?

It is just so bizarre to me. The promise of VR, to me at least, is the ability to "go to" places that one could never visit, even theoretically. One of the things I'm looking forward to when I eventually get a Valve Index (fuck Oculus VR for selling their souls to Facebook), is being able to use Space Engine to visit alien worlds or hang around the event horizon of a black hole. That's the kind of awesome shit that makes VR worth it. Not this fucking Shopping Channel bullshit.
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I don't get it either.
There's quite a lot I don't understand about this story:

www.vice.com

Woman Says She Was ‘Virtually Gang-Raped’ in Facebook's Metaverse

“Within 60 seconds of joining—I was verbally and sexually harassed.”
www.vice.com www.vice.com
 
bluescreen said:
I don't get it either.
There's quite a lot I don't understand about this story:

www.vice.com

Woman Says She Was ‘Virtually Gang-Raped’ in Facebook's Metaverse

“Within 60 seconds of joining—I was verbally and sexually harassed.”
www.vice.com www.vice.com
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Seems quite simple to understand for me. Facebook/Meta have a pisspoor record when it comes to dealing with the abuse that happens on their platforms, and it further turns out that they are so shit at moderation, that they can't even provide effective tools and/or moderator presence for dealing with personal abuse on one of their flagship projects, that's supposedly part of Facebook/Meta's push to insert themselves into the centre of tomorrow's connected world.

The story is a glimpse of things to come, should this Metaverse bullshit prove to be anything more than hot air.
 
NoXion said:
Seems quite simple to understand for me. Facebook/Meta have a pisspoor record when it comes to dealing with the abuse that happens on their platforms, and it further turns out that they are so shit at moderation, that they can't even provide effective tools and/or moderator presence for dealing with personal abuse on one of their flagship projects, that's supposedly part of Facebook/Meta's push to insert themselves into the centre of tomorrow's connected world.

The story is a glimpse of things to come, should this Metaverse bullshit prove to be anything more than hot air.
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Please explain it to me as if I were five.
Why would anyone want to use the Metaverse except to play games?
 
bluescreen said:
Please explain it to me as if I were five.
Why would anyone want to use the Metaverse except to play games?
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OK, so as I understand it, the complainant was using something called Horizon Venues, which is a platform created by Facebook/Meta for hosting events online, such as virtual concerts. I've no idea - it's not clear from the story - if this platform/service is in the testing stage or if it is a full-fledged thing that's actually been used for real events. The person claims that they were verbally/"physically" assaulted within this virtual space.

Facebook/Meta have of late really been pushing this idea of using VR online meeting spaces, with the idea being that everyone in an event or meeting will occupy the same virtual space and thus provide more of a connection between the participants than would be provided by traditional smartphone/desktop interfaces. Before Zuckerberg decided to rebrand Facebook to Meta, the general consensus about the future of VR amongst the technorati seemed, in my estimation, to mainly revolve around video games and specialist applications, with virtual meeting places being little more than a footnote. A program called VR Chat (or some such) has been around for at least a few years now, and has singularly failed to take the world by storm.

Of course it's not just meeting spaces, Facebook/Meta is being far more ambitious than that, but in that really over-promising yet vague kind of way that tech companies have done since the Dot Com crash. They claim to want to create the Metaverse - an entire virtual universe which, should it come to fruition, would doubtless be monetised down to its fundamental particles, your every choice and movement tracked and noted and quantified to be fed into the ever-hungry God of Zuckerberg that is the algorithm.
 
NoXion said:
OK, so as I understand it, the complainant was using something called Horizon Venues, which is a platform created by Facebook/Meta for hosting events online, such as virtual concerts. I've no idea - it's not clear from the story - if this platform/service is in the testing stage or if it is a full-fledged thing that's actually been used for real events. The person claims that they were verbally/"physically" assaulted within this virtual space.

Facebook/Meta have of late really been pushing this idea of using VR online meeting spaces, with the idea being that everyone in an event or meeting will occupy the same virtual space and thus provide more of a connection between the participants than would be provided by traditional smartphone/desktop interfaces. Before Zuckerberg decided to rebrand Facebook to Meta, the general consensus about the future of VR amongst the technorati seemed, in my estimation, to mainly revolve around video games and specialist applications, with virtual meeting places being little more than a footnote. A program called VR Chat (or some such) has been around for at least a few years now, and has singularly failed to take the world by storm.

Of course it's not just meeting spaces, Facebook/Meta is being far more ambitious than that, but in that really over-promising yet vague kind of way that tech companies have done since the Dot Com crash. They claim to want to create the Metaverse - an entire virtual universe which, should it come to fruition, would doubtless be monetised down to its fundamental particles, your every choice and movement tracked and noted and quantified to be fed into the ever-hungry God of Zuckerberg that is the algorithm.
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Thank you. That explains a lot.

Appalling behaviour by those blokes, and pathetic response by the company.
 
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