Supine
Newt Member
You don’t use Experian. It uses you.
Facebook are evil
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You don’t use Experian. It uses you.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
I don't give a shit about my credit rating.
Supine
Newt Member
Maybe not, but they make money from knowing what that rating is. We’re all part of their product.
paul mckenna
Bellend
I love these kind of answers. The subject of discussion is the public's use of Facebook (2 billion people). Poster responds with "not me" (1 person). Perhaps follow up with a tale of some bloke you know
Anyway, the fact the site has the button means FB can track you whether you use it or not - this is my point about FB's partnerships pervading pretty much everywhere
paul mckenna
Bellend
The game has moved on now - I'd be surprised if these browser extensions work anymore as other methods are used to do the tracking other than cookies. They hoover up basically anything remotely identifiable about a user (battery level, ip address, open tab titles etc etc) and mash them together to build a profile. It's scarily accurate
Hearse Pileup
Horse Pickup, isle 5
Can't remember if we've touched on it in this thread, the GDPR is a noble idea - but I feel like the core issue is that the tech sector is moving waay faster than the legislators. Not to mention that the upshot of said legislation seems to be a clusterfuck of UI for users to deal with - individualising the problem. Rather than putting the onus on the data monoliths. At the same time, people who can affort expensive lawyers will always find the easier solution. The amount of data companies this info goes through when you pop down one of those gdpr popups is staggering, tbh.
Interesting to note that the 'Do Not Track' header is being dropped from the web spec, but 'Global Privacy Control' looks like it's getting some traction. I just installed EFF's privacy badger on top of my existing setup to see how it goes.
At the moment I'm on firefox, configured according to privacytools recommendations (though I keep webgl enabled as I'm doing things with webgl myself). I also use uBlock Origin, which I regularly update with new visual filters to, wherever possible, completely block the interruption of my browsing experience with GDPR stuff. I also have Sponsorblock installed to auto skip in-video ads on youtube and invideous instances (I try to use yewtu.be, or NewPipe and Kodi wherever possible)
Thanks for reminding me about Facebook container, I've added it again to my new setup, just in case.
Unfortunately I still have Instagram, Twitter and TikTok installed on my OnePlus (with stock os). I'm planning to switch to Lineage, but eventually I'd like to switch to a device running Graphene or even a pinephone or the like. At that point the OnePlus will probably be the equvalent of a social 'burner' phone lol.
Also gmail still has it's hooks in me, I'm planning to move to tutanota when I get the chance.
All of this is to say, if you write into a spec the ability for a user to simply say "I don't want to be tracked", it really should be as simple as that. I think it's wrong to expect users to go this far to protect their privacy (and still be vulnerable anyway).
Interesting to note that the 'Do Not Track' header is being dropped from the web spec, but 'Global Privacy Control' looks like it's getting some traction. I just installed EFF's privacy badger on top of my existing setup to see how it goes.
At the moment I'm on firefox, configured according to privacytools recommendations (though I keep webgl enabled as I'm doing things with webgl myself). I also use uBlock Origin, which I regularly update with new visual filters to, wherever possible, completely block the interruption of my browsing experience with GDPR stuff. I also have Sponsorblock installed to auto skip in-video ads on youtube and invideous instances (I try to use yewtu.be, or NewPipe and Kodi wherever possible)
Thanks for reminding me about Facebook container, I've added it again to my new setup, just in case.
Unfortunately I still have Instagram, Twitter and TikTok installed on my OnePlus (with stock os). I'm planning to switch to Lineage, but eventually I'd like to switch to a device running Graphene or even a pinephone or the like. At that point the OnePlus will probably be the equvalent of a social 'burner' phone lol.
Also gmail still has it's hooks in me, I'm planning to move to tutanota when I get the chance.
All of this is to say, if you write into a spec the ability for a user to simply say "I don't want to be tracked", it really should be as simple as that. I think it's wrong to expect users to go this far to protect their privacy (and still be vulnerable anyway).
magneze
🎧
Indeed - Apple made it easy and the takeup is huge (96% of US users opting for no tracking):
96 per cent of US iPhone users opt out of app tracking in iOS 14.5
Findings likely to have a major impact on the online advertising industry
www.computing.co.uk
Hearse Pileup
Horse Pickup, isle 5
Unfortuately until the do not track protocol is made legally enforceable it's still a bit of a pipe dream on the web thoughIndeed - Apple made it easy and the takeup is huge (96% of US users opting for no tracking):
96 per cent of US iPhone users opt out of app tracking in iOS 14.5
Findings likely to have a major impact on the online advertising industry
. It would be so relaxing to see all the GDPR boxes just dissapear overnight!It is very heartening to see that so many people care about their privacy however. Just shows what a difference giving people an easy choice makes.
magneze
🎧
The latest Undivided Attention podcast is an interview with Frances Haugen - it's well worth a listen.
www.humanetech.com
There's also a new campaign to limit resharing on Facebook:
www.humanetech.com
A Conversation with Facebook Whistleblower Frances Haugen
We are now in social media's Big Tobacco moment. And that’s largely thanks to the courage of Facebook whistleblower Frances Haugen.
www.humanetech.com
There's also a new campaign to limit resharing on Facebook:
Make Facebook #OneClickSafer - Center for Humane Technology
Learn how changing Facebook's reshare button can lead to safer social media.
www.humanetech.com
Of course, whilst Facebook found this, they've not implemented it so there's this campaign.
gosub
~#
And now trying to build a virtual reality metaverse....should call it Better Than Life.The latest Undivided Attention podcast is an interview with Frances Haugen - it's well worth a listen.
A Conversation with Facebook Whistleblower Frances Haugen
We are now in social media's Big Tobacco moment. And that’s largely thanks to the courage of Facebook whistleblower Frances Haugen.
magneze
🎧
Yeah, perhaps putting some resources into their much vaunted AI moderation would be useful:
Facebook AI moderator confused videos of mass shootings and car washes
Executive concerns of “over-enforcement” let hate speech through, report says.
On Fire
Well-Known Member
Facebook is planning to rebrand the company with a new name
https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/19/22735612/facebook-change-company-name-metaverseMark Zuckerberg wants to be known for building the metaverse
Facebook is planning to rebrand with a new name
The tech giant wants to be known for more than social media’s ills.
www.theverge.com
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Supine
Newt Member
Facebook is planning to rebrand the company with a new name
Facebook is planning to rebrand the company with a new name
Mark Zuckerberg wants to be known for building the metaverse
Facebook is planning to rebrand with a new name
The tech giant wants to be known for more than social media’s ills.
Pretty sure its a dead cat story
hipipol
Peckham Wry
Well, its "META" chosen cos it "better reflects what we do" - "Ego" would have been best...
Facebook changes its name to Meta in major rebrand
The social media giant says the new name will better encompass what it does.
www.bbc.co.uk
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Experian have a file on you nonetheless. And only spending money you actually have is penalised nowadays if you're after a mortgage or even a tennamcy.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Oooooh, they have a file on me. I wonder how many pennies it nets them. I live in the south-east, I don't think I'll ever be rich enough to worry about buying a house. My shithouse credit rating has never been an obstacle for getting tenancies before. It's not like I'm ever going to be renting from Snobcunt and Sons.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Credit checks are standard practice for letting agencies now, for any kind of home at all.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Even what energy tarif you get put on depends on your credit rating.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I hope this is a shark-jumping moment for Zuckerberg and his dreadful company.
Hearse Pileup
Horse Pickup, isle 5
The metaverse sounds like a uniquely terrible hellscape. As I understand it it's essentially trying to go hard on games becoming live services where everything starts to resemble fortnite. I've never trucked with putting much value into avatar customisations and quite honestly the impression I'm getting of it right now makes me want it to DIAF lol.
