chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Just sitting down for first coffee.
...but there's more than a whiff of "wake up sheeple" in this kinda stunt. Intended or not.
Extinction Rebellion
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Just sitting down for first coffee.
...but there's more than a whiff of "wake up sheeple" in this kinda stunt. Intended or not.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it's happened now and i wouldn't be surprised it'll be what this 'october rebellion' is most remembered for
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Starry Wisdom
to be fair it's fairly fucking explicit so i don't think the dog whistle thing really applies
'this response in london has my full support' can't really mean anything else bar 'well done chaps for giving the green oik a bashing'
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
worse, then.
I really think XR have blown it with this tactic.
8ball
Merr xmas...
Just sitting down for first coffee.
...but there's more than a whiff of "wake up sheeple" in this kinda stunt. Intended or not.
Yeah, guess there’s s a whiff of it with any major awareness-raising stunt involving large numbers of people trying to shuffle somewhere they don’t want to be while trying to remain as oblivious as possible for personal sanity reasons.
No matter how uniform the beliefs and attitudes of a crowd, there will always be some within it that get an idea to do something outside of that crowd’s norms. The action at Canning Town looks like it was done by a handful of individuals, not XR en masse.
8ball
Merr xmas...
Speaking to a mate the other night* it seems like a lot of their decision-making processes have issues.
* - I’m not mentioning photons again
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Starry Wisdom
very much so. it's so inept, anyone could have seen people would be angry.
rather than attacking the public transport network they should have stuck to blocking roads.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yer reckon?
They won't claim responsibility? Blame it on rogue elements?
Even bigger loss of cred.
YouSir
Retired from Urban
In London at least people can generally navigate stuff in places like Waterloo or Trafalgar Square. Anyone who does those trips regularly knows to walk around/take different bus/tube/whatever if there are delays for any reason. Early morning DLR not so much, going to be the only viable route for lots of people. Hard to think of a worse place and time to target.
8ball
Merr xmas...
It certainly is, and has been an issue for a while. You can’t be an entirely decentralised broad church agreeing on only a couple of fundamental things AND be decentralised in a manner where individual actions can be discussed but not vetoed AND be consistent and coherent the whole time.
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Starry Wisdom
what i would do is to put on the website a summary of why some actions are good and resonate with the public and some are bad and drain support. i would also encourage a debate within the movement about what constitutes a good action, both in terms of how it goes and how it's portrayed. in addition, i would encourage discussions about personal safety on actions, because it's one thing to be nicked by the cops and quite another to risk being kicked to death (which must be fairly easy for a crowd to do inadvertantly). that ought to stop some of the more stupid actions.
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Starry Wisdom
that's really fucking stupid
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
So you're saying that they're going to disown these protestors?
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Starry Wisdom
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
It was stated on the radio this morning (6 o'clock news) that XR intended to shut down the tube. That did sound like a silly thing to do, but they justified it in that it would draw attention to the whole protest. However AFAIK XR actions are not sent down from above, it is just individuals taking action(s), so some will be more useful than others.
Choosing Canning Town doesn't seem too clever, a more obscure station (like St John's Wood) would have shut down a line and wouldn't have had hoards of people ready to tear them down and duff 'em up...
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Starry Wisdom
yeh
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
devoid of class consciousness
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Starry Wisdom
if it was necessary to do a tube action they should have done something to the waterloo and city line, which would have pissed off city workers but so many people are ambivalent about city workers anyway that that wouldn't have been such an own goal as this stunt is proving.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
devoid of political nous in every way!
if they'd taken a walk around canning town they'd have seen a great constituency with whom they haven't really engaged, the residents of the keir hardie estate. and this isn't the way to introduce yourself if you want to make a positive impression.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
the most powerful clip I've seen was the (peaceful) assertive questioning of the hand-glue women asking her where she'd come from and how she'd got to Canning Town. Damning stuff.
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Starry Wisdom
i can't watch all i'd like to (work
) but the people on the train and that man getting pulled down and getting a hiding: and the xr there having the gall to effectively say 'we're doing this for you', it would have me spitting blood (both for the delay and the substitutionism)
