Extinction Rebellion

[LDC]

Let's also not fall into the trap of giving this thing too much importance in the grand scheme of things. Dumb things happen the whole time in political movements, especially ones that grow rapidly.

 

[8ball]

It's heartening to see bitter middle-aged men enraged by a teenager.

Isn’t that largely the point of them?
Wouldn’t call Spy ‘bitter’ myself, mind.

 

[Spymaster]

... enraged ...

 

[Santino]

No, I'm not angry, I'm laughing! Listen to me, ha ha ha! LAUGHING!

 

[kabbes]

It’s not a matter of who disowns what. It’s just the nature of mass action that crowd action depends on shared sets of social norms, a common agreement regarding aims and the process of self-categorisation into the in-group, with a corresponding shared understanding as to who the out-group is. This means that spontaneous actions are either accepted as representing that shared norm and get picked up and amplified, or they are rejected and extinguished. But that doesn’t stop the latter category of act from happening at all, it just stops them becoming systematic. This Canning Town protest has all the hallmarks of a spontaneous action that was rejected as being unrepresentative of the crowd’s shared set of norms and thus not amplified further.

 

[Spymaster]

... angry ...

 

[8ball]

It’s not a matter of who disowns what. It’s just the nature of mass action that crowd action depends on shared sets of social norms, a common agreement regarding aims and the process of self-categorisation into the in-group, with a corresponding shared understanding as to who the out-group is. This means that spontaneous actions are either accepted as representing that shared norm and get picked up and amplified, or they are rejected and extinguished. But that doesn’t stop the latter category of act from happening at all, it just stops them becoming systematic. This Canning Town protest has all the hallmarks of a spontaneous action that was rejected as being unrepresentative of the crowd’s shared set of norms and thus not amplified further.

I’ve arranged a meeting with the media so you can explain the nuances to them. Though I’d probably go with smaller words.

 

[Spymaster]

This Canning Town protest has all the hallmarks of a spontaneous action that was rejected as being unrepresentative of the crowd’s shared set of norms and thus not amplified further.

It didn't actually seem spontaneous, tbf. One of the guys here was there and apparently there were loads of them trying to get on the train roof. The video just makes it look like one guy. It was organised.

 

[cupid_stunt]

The video just makes it look like one guy.

The video shows two guys holding a banner, which was grabbed off them first, one guy was pulled off the roof, a commuter got up there, chased the other guy, who he then pushed off.

 

[LDC]

Not mine, forwarded to someone who showed me....

 

[Pickman's model]

Isn’t that largely the point of them?
Wouldn’t call Spy ‘bitter’ myself, mind.

he's more mild

 

[Marty1]

This is a game changer. Watch the posh twats, who can afford to take time off work to sit on trains and bridges, melt away now.

Well at least some of them will be able to claim their expenses off XR HQ.

 

[Pickman's model]

It didn't actually seem spontaneous, tbf. One of the guys here was there and apparently there were loads of them trying to get on the train roof. The video just makes it look like one guy. It was organised.

plus they had a camera person

 

[Marty1]

This Canning Town protest has all the hallmarks of a spontaneous action that was rejected as being unrepresentative of the crowd’s shared set of norms and thus not amplified further.

Hardly spontaneous, the protestors came prepared with a ladder to access the carriage roof.

 

[8ball]

plus they had a camera person

Three people!
That's one more than you need for a conspiracy!

 

[Santino]

Why hasn't the culprit been identified and had his last decade of social media usage ransacked yet?

 

[8ball]

Watch the posh twats, who can afford to take time off work to sit on trains and bridges, melt away now.

New definition of 'posh': paid holidays.

+1000 Wolfie Smith points awarded to Spymaster.

 

[Spymaster]

New definition of 'posh': paid holidays.

Trust funds

 

[editor]

Not mine, forwarded to someone who showed me....

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Maybe there should be a poll asking if it's OK for a mob of gammons to kick the fuck out of the peaceful protester on the tube. Actually, I think I can guess the response

 

[8ball]

Maybe there should be a poll asking if it's OK for a mob of gammons to kick the fuck out of the peaceful protester on the tube. Actually, I think I can guess the response

Gammons have become a lot more diverse since I last looked.

 

[8ball]

Trust funds

No, when they keep paying you for a period when you're away from work - they call that a 'paid holiday'.

 

[Pickman's model]

Maybe there should be a poll asking if it's OK for a mob of gammons to kick the fuck out of the peaceful protester on the tube. Actually, I think I can guess the response

i'm not persuaded that's really what we saw

 

[8ball]

It's nice to resolve that old spat over whether public transport users are inherently more civilised than drivers, though.

 

[Spymaster]

i'm not persuaded that's really what we saw

It's that famous firm The Canning Town Gammons.

Millwall and the ICF shit themselves when they turn up.

 

[kabbes]

Hardly spontaneous, the protestors came prepared with a ladder to access the carriage roof.

It is spontaneous in the context of crowd action. They were not directed to do it by some kind of crowd authority, so it is spontaneous or emergent behaviour.

 

[editor]

i'm not persuaded that's really what we saw

The police seem to think differently

The commuters who dragged Extinction Rebellion protesters are being investigated by the police as it emerged on the of the activists is a Buddhist teacher.

British Transport Police have made eight arrests after protesters climbed on top of roofs of Underground carriages on Thursday morning.

But those on the platform blocked from going to work who "took matters into their own hands" are being sought by police, who said their actions were "unacceptable".

Commuters who attacked Extinction Rebellion Tube protesters face police investigation as one activist revealed as Buddhist teacher - latest news

The two protesters were then seen being attacked on the platform by the campaigners before they were arrested.

A man who was livestreaming the incident for the Extinction Rebellion Facebook page was beaten up by the crowd before some commuters helped him.

Furious commuters drag Extinction Rebellion protesters from top of Tube

 

[Pickman's model]

It's nice to resolve that old spat over whether public transport users are inherently more civilised than drivers, though.

let's see:

using initiative - check
happy to work on own - check
or as part of a team - check

you never see drivers working as part of a team

 

[Pickman's model]

The police seem to think differently

Commuters who attacked Extinction Rebellion Tube protesters face police investigation as one activist revealed as Buddhist teacher - latest news

they don't mention a mob of gammons

 

[8ball]

let's see:

using initiative - check
happy to work on own - check
or as part of a team - check

you never see drivers working as part of a team

Are you a driver?

 

[kabbes]

It didn't actually seem spontaneous, tbf. One of the guys here was there and apparently there were loads of them trying to get on the train roof. The video just makes it look like one guy. It was organised.

Even a group of 50 would be tiny compared with the XR crowd. It would still be emergent behaviour that got rejected by the wider crowd as being unrepresentative of the crowd social norm and thus not adopted and replicated more widely.