I don't know, probably more a convenience that's being taken advantage of than something that was engineered from the start. Anyway just idle thinking rather than firm accusation.
Extinction Rebellion
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This is kind of interesting..a sign that the Overton window is shifting..?
Workers Seize the Shipyard That Built the Titanic, Plan to Make Renewable Energy There - VICE
Workers Seize the Shipyard That Built the Titanic, Plan to Make Renewable Energy There - VICE
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Things escalating in Australia with random search powers based on utter bollocks:
Queensland police to get new powers to search climate change protesters
Queensland government accused of 'fabricating' claims about climate activists
I can't even get cross about it because it's such a predictable pattern. It really is just what anyone would expect to happen.
Queensland police to get new powers to search climate change protesters
Queensland government accused of 'fabricating' claims about climate activists
I can't even get cross about it because it's such a predictable pattern. It really is just what anyone would expect to happen.
skyscraper101
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This is what tory MP David TC Davies has been busy doing this week. Writing a letter to pop group the 1975 and then tweeting it to express how pissed off he is with their support of Extinction Rebellion.
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hiraethified
The responses are entertaining, mind.
Nanker Phelge
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
Nice big Mitsubishi L200 diesel motor pulling it along...
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
This from a couple of days ago. They don't seem to have learned how cops work. Hallam offers no actual evidence this works, he just assumes, because he's got a degree in it, that it will work.
Technically now disaffiliated from Extinction Rebellion- haha.
His position is theoretical, it is not based on any experience. He's studied this as part of a degree or summat (i don't recall) and thinks that the idea will work in reality. I can't fault him for that, but this tactic is clearly ill advised at best. I mean,,,spycops?
Really?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i watched the first three minutes of it and gave up and i was reminded of frankie howerd and the prologue in up pompeii, although there was more sense in up pompeii
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
There's a few small bits that are OK, or that might be worth further thinking about and discussion, but it's mostly just a fairly incoherent ramble of his particular predictable position that he also seems to think is somewhat new and radical, rather than it just being what every liberal and hippie has droned on about for decades.
Well yes, following a big stink kicked up by nearly everyone around the Heathrow drone action it was decided to carry it out as an "unaffiliated" action. Roger Hallam is the main proponent of that action. Doesn't seem to have stopped him acting as spokesman for XR or drawing a stipend.
Am i detecting a little cynicism?
OK the guys a hippie, but the essential point that there is a juggernaught of shit coming quickly towards us all seems irrefutable? i'm frightened for my kids, and i share that fear with many others - so im prepared to overlook any failings that the messenger may have and listen carefully to the vital message. We know that direct action has succeeded many times in history from female suffrage to civil rights etc, surely we can hope that humanity can get its act together and try to intervene to prevent famine driven social collapse?
OK the guys a hippie, but the essential point that there is a juggernaught of shit coming quickly towards us all seems irrefutable? i'm frightened for my kids, and i share that fear with many others - so im prepared to overlook any failings that the messenger may have and listen carefully to the vital message. We know that direct action has succeeded many times in history from female suffrage to civil rights etc, surely we can hope that humanity can get its act together and try to intervene to prevent famine driven social collapse?
That does seem to be the modern way, why write three paragraphs when a rambling two hour monologue on YouTube will do?
But that doesn't mean they have disavowed him as you seem to imply. Do you have any sources?
I agree, we all do I hope. But that isn't going to be solved by pandering to the cops though surely
They haven't disavowed him . That's my point. Sorry if I wasn't being clear.
In some senses what he's saying is true. If you approach the police before an action and say that it's going to be peaceful and symbolic and you're of the right demographic then they probably won't turn up with batons drawn.
Not read the thread so unaware of main argument re the coppers. On the assumption that it relates to the state's inevitable resort to violence if ER activities begin to threaten the interests of the wealthy id suggest that a non violent response in the Ghandian tradition is unlikely to be effective - as ever, the key will be to mobilise numbers - sounds easy dont it? But the coppers will be cautious if they are massively outnumbered. If some uniformed thug starts laying into you in the interests of capital, then they must realistically expect physical resistance. i'm not for turning the other cheek.
Roger Hallam just been nicked pre emptively in London, presumably to do with plans to fly drones near Heathrow.
Two Heathrow Pause activists 'preemptively' arrested
Two Heathrow Pause activists 'preemptively' arrested
8ball
Decolonise colons!
It seems like the sort of thing that will work for a while.
Until it doesn't, then it's not going to be fun.
But then in the video above that, he seems fully aware of this.
i fear for Roger Hallam. The corrupt and powerful forces that Extinction Rebellion are taking on will not hesitate to crush prominent eco radicals if necessary - yet its not clear that ER recognise this. Hallam's admirable integrity coupled to the astronomic success of ER thus far make him a clear target for the gangster element of the establishment, who will regard him as having about the same significance as a cockroach in the kitchen.
His naive style shouldn't blind anyone to the fact that he is one courageous comrade - and i'm inclined to raise a fist in solidarity with both him and his pal Mike Lynch Whyte.
His naive style shouldn't blind anyone to the fact that he is one courageous comrade - and i'm inclined to raise a fist in solidarity with both him and his pal Mike Lynch Whyte.
