8ball
Decolonise colons!
I think that captured it perfectly.
Although "Wut?" comes a distant second.
I hope this doesn't mean I'm one of the evil technological elite...
Extinction Rebellion
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I think that captured it perfectly.
Although "Wut?" comes a distant second.
I hope this doesn't mean I'm one of the evil technological elite...
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Starry Wisdom
i can explain it again if you wantI think that captured it perfectly.
Although "Wut?" comes a distant second.
I hope this doesn't mean I'm one of the evil technological elite...
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Yeah, go on. I wasn't sure about the significance of "truly" random (as opposed to pseudo-random, which would do well enough for selection of this kind), and why you needed to blindly trust a (presumably unaccountable?) technological elite for such a thing to work.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it's of course easy to select people ostensibly at random - you could pop yourself at kings cross and select every seventh person departing the mainline station in the morning rush hour, for example, or take the first customer to enter every pub named the red lion (the commonest pub name, btw) in the country. but as you'd doubtless tell me there are problems with the pool of people in each case you'd be selecting - probably people with jobs in the first instance or possible problem drinkers in the second. the genuinely random selection of people, selecting from all possible members of the public, can't be so easily done and would require a computer. this increases the probability, imo, that those selected are more likely to rely on advice from a technocratic elite, whose apparently impartial advice would form the basis for the evidence on which decisions would be taken. i don't myself think the method of random selection is as important as this second factor, but frankly i was bored and wondered what would happen.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Pseudo-random generation of numbers is what computers do (they can produce variation that looks random until you *really* scrutinise it). Where you said *truly* random I thought you meant something more like a mathematically 'pure' randomness, such as the timing of radioactive decay). The main issue with randomly selecting people is more a matter of having a complete list of everyone you need to select from imo. I think there is plenty of variation in what people would consider 'close enough', though, and a lower margin would be easily settled upon.
But I don't see why a computer is likely to choose people who are more likely to rely on advice from a technocratic elite (aside from the fact that people who live 'off grid' are going to try and stay off the databases). Maybe that's not what you mean, but it reads a bit like that.
I do think that the framing of any questions put to such groups is going to be at issue, though.
To my mind a technocracy refers to the people making decisions, not the general level of advancement in society. But I'm not looking to argue the point.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
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Starry Wisdom
you're not the first to wonder Tommy Robinson, the court case and (guffaw) 'free speech'
getting your money's worth with that pic aren'tcha!
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Look after the pennies etc. etc.
Fortunately this isn't your private little fief and there are other people to engage with, so bye bye you miserable old sourpuss
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Starry Wisdom
ta-ra chuck
I guess it depends how much influence they have over grassroots protesters
I'm in the local XR FB group and someone posted this:
What is this? I've never heard of a grief circle before, in any context? Is this an XR thing?
What is this? I've never heard of a grief circle before, in any context? Is this an XR thing?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Suspending my deep cynicism and uncomfortable feeling at any displays of public emotion for a moment...
Some of this comes from the ideas of deep ecology, which is/used to be more of a thing in the US than here. I can see how it might have some validity and use psychologically, and XR do have this principle of creating a regenerative culture which I can see that fitting in to here.
Anyway, back to cynicism and cringing, the fucking hippies.
Some of this comes from the ideas of deep ecology, which is/used to be more of a thing in the US than here. I can see how it might have some validity and use psychologically, and XR do have this principle of creating a regenerative culture which I can see that fitting in to here.
Anyway, back to cynicism and cringing, the fucking hippies.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It's wicked to mock the afflicted
I don't think I would like to participate in that.
YouSir
Retired from Urban
My first thought was that a Grief Circle would involve everyone standing around slagging off someone in the middle. An oil baron or something.
Yet again life has left me disappointed.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Every grief circle contains at least one Julian
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I am a (sorta) hippie I have worn (shudder) cheesecloth, am kind(ish) to small children and animals, and bloody love trees...but fuck me - not in a million years would you find me in such a gathering of snivellers
Hmm. But. This filmed performance of "look at my deep sorrow for the land".
I hadn't thought that Earth First! was into such self-looking, performative drama as that.
Why do you shudder at cheesecloth?
I liked cheesecloth. I liked the whole "not bother to iron it" thing about it. It was perfect for a summer top. By the time my Mum bought me a cheesecloth smock (very "Wurzels), I suppose the fashion had gone but I liked it lot - cool (I mean in terms of temperature, not trendy cool), I do keep hoping that there will suddenly be a retro fashion, then the shops might be flooded with it, then the charity shops would. Then I can buy it. It's is great. Plus you can, of course, use it in making crowdie, cheese etc.
(Oops. I don't mean that people are meant to eat it)
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Bits of the US Earth First! scene were in the 1980s. It faded away quite quickly.
Dunno. One of our hunt sabs got trapped in a ritual space at that EF! Gathering in Snowdonia (Council of all Living Beings?) and still hasn't quite recovered.
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Starry Wisdom
If you'd seen what cheesecloth gets up to when it thinks no one is looking you'd shudder tooWhy do you shudder at cheesecloth?
I do keep hoping that there will suddenly be a retro fashion, then the shops might be flooded with it, then the charity shops would. Then I can buy it. It's is great. Plus you can, of course, use it in making crowdie, cheese etc.
(Oops. I don't mean that people are meant to eat it)
possibly because i looked like a misshappen lump of ambulant cheddar (yes, I too had smocks...possibly muslin). That crinkly texture wasn't very nice to wear and shredded at the drop of a hat and I was a complete fail at the 70s emaciated, breastless, straight centre parted hair look. Crepe de Chine was a more upmarket but equally grisly version of the rumpled, just climbed out of a haystack look which I mostly recall from the 70s.I haven't ironed anything for 4 decades.
OMG - panne velvet and wet look cire. 70s textiles were absolutely in the vanguard of the artificial fabric revolution. I do not miss them.
How do you know what it is thinking?
