Ethnic Composition of Brixton...

[ajdown]

I don't know how useful they are though, but they are not used to decide who to give jobs to.

I can't figure out what possible benefit they might be to anyone or anything either, except giving some executive some figures to take to a board meeting.

 

[DotCommunist]

Hummus? That's









foreign







isn't it?

Halal even?

 

[Thimble Queen]

This thread has long since jumped the shark.

Nice trolling guys. Feel free to carry on talking but I won't be taking part.

Remember this post ajdown??

Take your own advice.

 

[Thimble Queen]

Hummus? That's









foreign







isn't it?

 

[ajdown]

Remember this post ajdown??

Take your own advice.

So you're one of those people that stalks from one thread to another cross-referencing totally irrelevant issues to score points?

 

[Crispy]

Hummus? That's
foreign
isn't it?

Compost - hummus..... geddit?

PS: enough sniping. behave, everyone.

 

[ajdown]

Compost - hummus..... geddit?

Actually I quite like Houmus, it's nice to dip Doritos into.

 

[Thimble Queen]

So you're one of those people that stalks from one thread to another cross-referencing totally irrelevant issues to score points?

No you were banging on about foreigners and brixton in that thread too.

 

[Blagsta]

"A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own"

I'm seeing a lot of that around here, thrown at me.

Hmmmmm, wonder why?

 

[ajdown]

Hmmmmm, wonder why?

I mean people being totally guilty of what they're accusing me of.

 

[Blagsta]

I mean people being totally guilty of what they're accusing me of.

Come again?

 

[ajdown]

I'm being accused of being 'intolerant' - but those doing the accusing are in themselves being intolerant of my views.

My views are not wrong, they are not really offensive when you stop to think about it, they are not illegal. Just different. That's all. Perfectly valid, just opposing viewpoints, to what seems to be the general tone round here.

In fact, I could quite easily class some of the views put forward in certain threads by certain posters incredibly offensive to me - and although I may choose to debate them on that point, at the end of the day, the view is their choice, that's all.

People attribute it to a particular political viewpoint, or reading a particular newspaper, when in fact it's neither. It's just me.

 

[Belushi]

I'm being accused of being 'intolerant' - but those doing the accusing are in themselves being intolerant of my views.

OMG what a genius defence! no ones tried that line around here before...

 

[cesare]

Ajdown, your views might be illegal if you treat people less favourably on the basis of them, in terms of employment, goods and services.

 

[ajdown]

OMG what a genius defence! no ones tried that line around here before...

... except if it were a 'defence' then it would follow that I was actually guilty of something, and I was trying to get out of it.

So quite what others might have 'done before' is irrelevant, the fact is that it's true, and everyone has degrees of intolerance within themselves whether they like it or not.

 

[Belushi]

Why should it matter what colour you are anyway on these forms?

When going for a job, it should be based entirely on your skills and experience, not an unqualified minority ethnicity person getting preference over a qualified majority ethnicity person because they aren't "represented in the workforce enough"?

When you apply for a job the monitoring form is separated from the application before the app's are forwarded to the selection panel - the panel will have no idea of whats on the monitoring form.

The reason for the form is for organisations to monitor their recruitment procedures to make sure they're fair - that applicants arent being unfairly discriminated against on grounds of race, gender etc.

In France its illegal to ask these questions, leading to a situation where its suspected that racial discrimination in recruitment occurs on a vast scale but lack of information makes it much more difficult to judge.

 

[ajdown]

The reason for the form is for organisations to monitor their recruitment procedures to make sure they're fair - that applicants arent being unfairly discriminated against on grounds of race, gender etc.

Unless the form says "straight white males, married, with 2 kids, only need apply" then how are people discriminated against?

I accept that there are some jobs where a particular gender, faith background or whatever may be required (I don't remember the particular law or exemption but it's acceptable where there is a demonstratable need for it).

Maybe there are certain 'groups' not 'equally represented' in a workforce - but that's more likely to simply be they aren't interested, or qualified, or capable, of that job rather than the job being 'discriminating against them'.

After all, many jobs state 'graduates required' when having a degree in something entirely irrelevant to the job might as well be not needing a degree at all - totally discriminatory when it's not a demostratable need for the job, but it excludes otherwise perfectly qualified and capable people of applying.

 

[cesare]

You'll find fewer and fewer job adverts actually specify degree requirements unless they can demonstrate that those are actually required. Age discrimination y'see.

 

[ajdown]

You'll find fewer and fewer job adverts actually specify degree requirements unless they can demonstrate that those are actually required. Age discrimination y'see.

Maybe I'm setting my sights too low then if they're jobs that a student could do.

 

[Belushi]

Unless the form says "straight white males, married, with 2 kids, only need apply" then how are people discriminated against?

A few examples of the top of my head. Applicants with Muslim names being automatically being binned, no women being invited to interviews despite being as qualifies and experienced as men, applications where the name of the school is that of a Saint being automatically binned (used to happen in Scotland a lot) theres a million and one ways to discriminate against applicants before you've even met them.

Equal Op's forms are a tool to monitor the recruitment process to help unsure these kind of practices dont go on.

 

[cesare]

Maybe I'm setting my sights too low then if they're jobs that a student could do.

What do you mean?

 

[ajdown]

What do you mean?

Students straight out of college probably don't have a lot of actual 'work experience' whereas I have 18 years of it, which I am sure demostrates far more capability than an irrelevant 'ology'.

 

[cesare]

Students straight out of college probably don't have a lot of actual 'work experience' whereas I have 18 years of it, which I am sure demostrates far more capability than an irrelevant 'ology'.

Depends on the job really doesn't it?

 

[ajdown]

Depends on the job really doesn't it?

Perhaps. I can understand things like engineering jobs needing engineering degrees, but many of the jobs I see advertised don't specify a 'relevant degree', just 'a' degree, and the grade doesn't matter either.

 

[cesare]

Of course, ajdown, it might well be that you're not getting jobs because employers don't want you offending the workforce.

 

[DotCommunist]

Perhaps. I can understand things like engineering jobs needing engineering degrees, but many of the jobs I see advertised don't specify a 'relevant degree', just 'a' degree, and the grade doesn't matter either.

Thats because lots of employers see a degree evidence that the candidate can work to a certain level.

 

[cesare]

Perhaps. I can understand things like engineering jobs needing engineering degrees, but many of the jobs I see advertised don't specify a 'relevant degree', just 'a' degree, and the grade doesn't matter either.

Then make a claim for age discrimination.

 

[ajdown]

Of course, ajdown, it might well be that you're not getting jobs because employers don't want you offending the workforce.

Ha ha funny. All they have is a form to go by, they don't know a thing else about me.

 

[cesare]

Ha ha funny. All they have is a form to go by, they don't know a thing else about me.

Not even getting as far as interviews then?

 

[Belushi]

Ha ha funny. All they have is a form to go by, they don't know a thing else about me.

Have you tried contacting the organisations in question for feedback on why your not getting the job?

If that doesnt worl you can always make a request under the Data Protection Act on any information they have on you, this may give you an idea on why you werent selected if theres selection/interview panel notes etc.