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Entirely unashamed anti car propaganda, and the more the better.

teuchter said:
Which part of this ex conservative city councillor's opinion did you find the most compelling?
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I agree with his comments on subsidising buses:

"The proposals to improve the bus service do not amount to a significant intervention commensurate with the transport needs of the Cambridge subregion and its recent and potential growth. They cannot provide a comprehensive solution to sustainable transport as they will leave too many journeys that simply cannot be made in a reasonable timeframe by bus or active travel. They do not constitute investment in transport infrastructure, and do not provide new dedicated public transport corridors - they provide subsidies to operating costs that could be removed at any time if budgets get tight. "

"most of the proposed changes to increase services into increasingly more rural areas, increase frequency and increase operating hours e.g. to the early hours of the morning are likely to involve enormous levels of public subsidy with very little benefit to the overall transport situation, as for reasons elsewhere in these responses they fall far short of what is needed to make a journey by bus a more appealing option for most journeys, and with lower population densities there won’t be enough demand to sustain the large ‘per passenger-journey’ subsidies needed. Our local Councils have repeatedly tried to subsidise various routes at extended hours, but usually cancel schemes when the extraordinary subsidy per person becomes apparent. (e.g. nightbuses were tried in Cambridge City in 2001 but cancelled later as it would almost have been cheaper to pay for taxis for the low usage numbers). "

and that such money would be better spent thus:

"The proposals outlined for cycling and walking are vague and unambitious. We should plan to deliver a full dutch standard network of cycling and active travel routes to support safe and convenient cycling. By Dutch standard network I mean a dedicated network of interconnected segregated routes in and around Cambridge, with appropriate infrastructure such as bridges and underpasses to ensure cycling and micromobility is the most cost and time effective choice for most journeys. "

But he's a Tory apparently so is obviously some sort of cunt who must be disagreed with.
 
Love how opponents of these schemes suddenly come up with amazing alternatives as soon as the schemes get implemented - a full dutch standard network of cycling and active travel routes to support safe and convenient cycling 😂

They’ve had forever to campaign for and implement other measures and done nothing so excuse those that are sceptical.
 
platinumsage said:
I agree with his comments on subsidising buses:

"The proposals to improve the bus service do not amount to a significant intervention commensurate with the transport needs of the Cambridge subregion and its recent and potential growth. They cannot provide a comprehensive solution to sustainable transport as they will leave too many journeys that simply cannot be made in a reasonable timeframe by bus or active travel. They do not constitute investment in transport infrastructure, and do not provide new dedicated public transport corridors - they provide subsidies to operating costs that could be removed at any time if budgets get tight. "

"most of the proposed changes to increase services into increasingly more rural areas, increase frequency and increase operating hours e.g. to the early hours of the morning are likely to involve enormous levels of public subsidy with very little benefit to the overall transport situation, as for reasons elsewhere in these responses they fall far short of what is needed to make a journey by bus a more appealing option for most journeys, and with lower population densities there won’t be enough demand to sustain the large ‘per passenger-journey’ subsidies needed. Our local Councils have repeatedly tried to subsidise various routes at extended hours, but usually cancel schemes when the extraordinary subsidy per person becomes apparent. (e.g. nightbuses were tried in Cambridge City in 2001 but cancelled later as it would almost have been cheaper to pay for taxis for the low usage numbers). "

and that such money would be better spent thus:

"The proposals outlined for cycling and walking are vague and unambitious. We should plan to deliver a full dutch standard network of cycling and active travel routes to support safe and convenient cycling. By Dutch standard network I mean a dedicated network of interconnected segregated routes in and around Cambridge, with appropriate infrastructure such as bridges and underpasses to ensure cycling and micromobility is the most cost and time effective choice for most journeys. "

But he's a Tory apparently so is obviously some sort of cunt who must be disagreed with.
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You described him as a cycle campaigner so apparently obviously some kind of angel who must be agreed with.

I'm still not clear what lessons you think we can take away from his comments.

You said "Well worth reading if you hope to eliminate private cars by providing lots more buses"

I don't see what great enlightenment is offered in his comments, on this particular subject.
 
The plod have decided to actively ignore the problem, despite being made aware of it. Will be interesting when the first victim sues the plod over it.
 
Hollis said:
Another somewhat regressive step:

Buses: More cuts to services to come, operators warn

How are you meant to get people out their cars if you're reducing bus routes and timetables? There's loads of people who are never going to ride a bike or use a scooter... but you might get them on a bus.
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Keep seeing it said that the £2 fare cap doesn’t include London - that’s because it doesn’t need to as fares are already below that.
 
teuchter said:
A car dependent society, which is what most of the UK is, creates the political environment where public transport can be continually under attack because in many places the majority do not rely on it.
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It also means that the public transport is caught in traffic causing it to be delayed which creates a feedback loop of poor service
 
Happy 2023 folks! A year of rapprochement between cyclists and car drivers perhaps? We’ve all got to look out for one another, after all!

 
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