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Entirely unashamed anti car propaganda, and the more the better.

edcraw said:
It’s just absolute crap that we don’t limit car speeds. Seriously, the only reason seems to be “what if you need to accelerate to 100mph to avoid a crash”. Where the fuck are the Daily Mail front pages of this?

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What do you limit them to? 70 is going to generate a lot of hate the next time you're in France. 81 (the French autoroute limit) is going to get you flashed at in Germany. 100 seems like an upper limit that most people will never pass, if just for the fuel consumption, but it's not going to help in a 30 zone much.

Don't give some GPS varying speed limit bollocks, there are enough cases of block boxes buggering up completely and no-one wants to be limited to 30 on the M40.
 
Chz said:
Don't give some GPS varying speed limit bollocks, there are enough cases of block boxes buggering up completely and no-one wants to be limited to 30 on the M40.
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This is exactly what will be implemented once the latest speed limiters thing fails.

Alex
 
Chz said:
What do you limit them to? 70 is going to generate a lot of hate the next time you're in France. 81 (the French autoroute limit) is going to get you flashed at in Germany. 100 seems like an upper limit that most people will never pass, if just for the fuel consumption, but it's not going to help in a 30 zone much.

Don't give some GPS varying speed limit bollocks, there are enough cases of block boxes buggering up completely and no-one wants to be limited to 30 on the M40.
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So the downside of stopping cars travelling at 120mph and crashing off roads killing people is a slight inconvenience if it goes slightly wrong on a motorway?

Of course gps speed limits are the way to go but also a generous maximum default of 75mph.
 
This is exactly what will be implemented once the latest speed limiters thing fails
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Like fuck it will.

People do not regularly, or even rarely drive 120. Errors in black boxes are far more common, by at least an order of magnitude. If not two, based on the number of complaints submitted to consumer watchdogs. There may well be a good technology to apply speed limits based on the road you're on, but consumer GPS isn't it because the reliability and accuracy isn't there in all conditions. GPS guided munitions fly off and hit things out of their CEP regularly and there are a good many more cars than there are missiles. 30 on the motorway at night isn't an inconvenience - it's dangerous. You're condemning drivers who have never gone over 75 in their lives to hazardous conditions. It would never fly without some new tech being developed.

75 (120 kph) maximum is good if it's a Europe-wide directive. I'd be all in favour. But motorways are the safest place to drive and it does nothing to solve the problem of extreme speed in urban areas.
 
They don't regulate speed - they just monitor it (possibly for exactly this reason? I don't know). And it hasn't gone all that well for a surprisingly large number of people. I have to admit that I actually thought it was better than it is.
My own GPS frequently can't tell whether I'm on a motorway, autoroute, or whatever or on the service road next to it. Under ideal conditions, GPS is accurate to 3-5m but you'll frequently find that the system can't get enough satellites for proper resolution (due to buildings, geography, harsh weather...) and then the accuracy declines.
 
Chz said:
30 on the motorway at night isn't an inconvenience - it's dangerous. You're condemning drivers who have never gone over 75 in their lives to hazardous conditions. It would never fly without some new tech being developed.
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These seem really easy tech problems to solve. A speed limiter isn't going to jam the brakes on from 70 to 30 when you go under a bridge, it's going to cut the throttle. At 70 it takes many hundreds of metres to drop to 50 if you don't apply the brakes - your car would barely have lost a couple of mph before you were bak reading 70.


Chz said:
People do not regularly, or even rarely drive 120
My own GPS frequently can't tell whether I'm on a motorway, autoroute, or whatever or on the service road next to it
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But they frequently drive well over 40mph upwards on the 20mph road I live on (there was one of those speed indicators a while back and it frequently went blank which meant >45. Someone went past at what must have been 60/70 the other day.

So there are places where the gps data is going to need a bit of extra logic added - based on where you've just been is there any way you could have joined the service road or not?

Dealing with the edge cases seems worth the effort
 
I’ve driven that stretch where the crash at night and there people who race on the A40 and the A406, the usual thing of cars undertaking / changing lanes in a dangerous fashion. Frankly it scared me that such aggressive driving was effectively a lethal weapon and I just drove at my speed, held my line in the lane I was in and hoped they’d not rear end me
 
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www.bbc.co.uk

Park Royal residents warned of speeding before deadly car crash

A woman died when the car she was in crashed off the road on to Tube lines at Park Royal station.
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Ms Moore, who lives in Baronet House overlooking Park Royal station, said she had previously been trying to raise the alarm along with other residents about speeding vehicles.
She said: "For about six months now we have been complaining to anybody and everybody about the antisocial behaviour of these rally drivers.
"I personally have seen them miss a woman with a buggy by inches. We've got videos and pictures galore."
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"We've been raising this with the council over and over and over again.
"This is exactly why we're trying to tackle this problem because we knew one day this was going to happen."
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This is kind of how it is on my street too - everyone knows there's speeding, there are regular crashes, it's constantly brought up with councillors and so on.

The council have no money left in the budget to make changes to the road. The police will do a community roadwatch now and again where anyone caught speeding gets a warning letter and that's it.

This I'm sure is the case on lots of streets all over London and the UK.

Of course, to police this all properly needs money.

But why don't cyclists pay road tax eh?
 
This is getting massive coverage. The images of a wrecked car in a tube station are going to be remembered for eons. The story will go on and on into next year because there'll be an inquest and probably a trial. I wonder if it might lead to more enforcement, or anything to limit the sale of supercharged Range Rovers? Probably not. There's no money in either of those things. The 24 year old Iraq-born driver will be hounded. He's easy to find - his Dad's jewellers is on Edgware Road
 
Elpenor said:
I’ve driven that stretch where the crash at night and there people who race on the A40 and the A406, the usual thing of cars undertaking / changing lanes in a dangerous fashion. Frankly it scared me that such aggressive driving was effectively a lethal weapon and I just drove at my speed, held my line in the lane I was in and hoped they’d not rear end me
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There's also a constant roar of illegal motorcycle exhausts all weekend. Even a mile away it sounds like Brands Hatch. The huge stress and misery for so many residents in their own homes, caused by a handful of selfish idiots....it's bizarre that it happens.
 
David Clapson said:
This is getting massive coverage. The images of a wrecked car in a tube station are going to be remembered for eons. The story will go on and on into next year because there'll be an inquest and probably a trial. I wonder if it might lead to more enforcement, or anything to limit the sale of supercharged Range Rovers? Probably not. There's no money in either of those things. The 24 year old Iraq-born driver will be hounded. He's easy to find - his Dad's jewellers is on Edgware Road
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I wonder if there’s a case for suing the car manufacturer. Surely they should bear some responsibility.
 
Elpenor said:
I’ve driven that stretch where the crash at night and there people who race on the A40 and the A406, the usual thing of cars undertaking / changing lanes in a dangerous fashion. Frankly it scared me that such aggressive driving was effectively a lethal weapon and I just drove at my speed, held my line in the lane I was in and hoped they’d not rear end me
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Have to agree, it's a scary stretch of road. I know they've left it as it's a major artery in/out of central London, but it could stand some sort of traffic calming measures.

I can admit to being young and stupid and driving 120 in the past, but always on a motorway. Even 22 year-old me had the sense not to go stupid fast on city streets. The car was built as an autobahn-cruiser anyhow, it wasn't a comfortable thing to speed in town.
 
Relying on individuals "not to go stupid fast" clearly doesn't work.

The point about location-aware speed limiters is not that they can or should be implemented in full right now. The technology is available to provide feedback to drivers that they are going over the limit. That's what's currently being rolled out via the EU-initiated rules. Over time, hopefully we can move progressively towards systems that actually stop people going over speed limits rather than just "reminding" them. I don't see any reason why that can't be done. In any case, it's something that will have to be worked out before any kind of genuinely self driving cars can appear.

All of this process could have been started many years earlier, were it not for resistance from drivers.

And there's no good reason not to limit all vehicles to something like 70mph. If top speed limiters can work on HGVs they can work on cars. If it would mean you can't quite get to the speed limit on some other countries' motorways - so what?
 
Took me a while to realise these car finance figures from a car dealers employees were per MONTH!!!

and bizarrely they seem proud to be fleeced this much. But remember any policies to change car dependency are anti working people.

 
Boris Sprinkler said:
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Would be great for someone to do this at the south end of Chelsea bridge in london where there are frequently a load of stupid sports cars parked along the bike lane while their owners hang about on the pavement. I reckon they have enough money to not care if they get fined but maybe holding up a queue of impatient drivers across the bridge while cyclists are ushered round the obstruction would create an interesting situation.
 
teuchter said:
You're not volunteering yourself which I can only take to mean that you condone the actions of the sports car owners and have contempt for the highway code.
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I don't live near Chelsea bridge or London, and I don't have time to travel the country as a peripatetic traffic protestor. I'd do it in my city but there's no need because motorists behave nicely when there is an obstruction in a cycle lane.
 
platinumsage said:
I'd do it in my city
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Good.

Was just a trick question to check whether this thread had successfully convinced you to fight for the right thing and it's great to see you transformed into someone ready to stand up against selfish motorists in locations reasonably convenient to you.
 
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