WouldBe
Dislicksick
But you said there would be no need for private vehicles yet clearly there are.
Entirely unashamed anti car propaganda, and the more the better.
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Yeah, another reason why it doesn't really solve any of the issues with cars. If they all break off to park at work places separately and in Athos idea, make twice as many trips between workplace and homes, with all the obvious problems and wastage that implies
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Will there be an autonomous vehicle parked outside every house?
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Oh noez, people might have to wait a whole 5 or even 10 minutes or - gasp - possibly even longer before going somewhere, how will they ever cope?Will there be an autonomous vehicle parked outside every house?
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Is there really a need for privately owned pushbikes? Boris Bikes make much more sense.
Athos
Well-Known Member
If they can run on, say, solar, then that becomes less of a problem.
I can't help but think that people are so wedded to having their own cars that a solution which allows for that is more likely to suceed than one that is predicated on the elimination of the private car, because car companies will invest (as there'd be a return), and there'd be far more chance of popular and political will.
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
They have tried that in some places and the bikes end up getting trashed.
Eh? Do the dozens of successful cycle hire schemes not count as communal pushbikes?
Car share schemes really need encouraging too. London at least helps by having some parking spaces just for car clubs, but a lot of people don't join because they're really expensive. They might well need to be expensive to cover costs, though, so the govt could help out there with subsidies like they give train companies.
Athos
Well-Known Member
Eh? Do the dozens of successful cycle hire schemes not count as communal pushbikes?
Yes, and they're the reason there's no privately owned pushbikes now.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
For most trips, yes they kinda do
Keep the nice carbon race bike for the weekend club runs, perfect
The gotcha moment you think is coming doesn’t work by the way.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
How tall are you?
maomao
普費斯
6'7" with dodgy knees so need a very high seat.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
#BiggerBorisBikes
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Wow, yeah I can see how that must be an issue
Tern make a really clever single frame/bike that can cover a range from below 5’ to 6’4”, but even that would be too small by the sounds of it.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Bees' Cars for getting to work. Keep the hydrocarbons and carbon for the weekend.For most trips, yes they kinda do
Keep the nice carbon race bike for the weekend club runs, perfect
The gotcha moment you think is coming doesn’t work by the way.
See, we can probably reach a middle ground here.
Cid
Proper break this time
I think you're under the mistaken impression that people who want to overhaul the transport system are dogmatically attached to one system or another. These things will take decades to fully develop, will involve trial and error, extensive testing and technologies that are still in their infancy (and I imagine technologies we just haven't imagined yet). The goals are: Make the roads safer, eliminate as much pollution as possible, get people from A to B as efficiently as possible. How you get to those points is going to be debatable. Getting rid of as much private vehicle ownership as possible is one factor in that; it's probably an important one, but there are many, many other things to consider. No one who cares about these things is going to give a solitary fuck that there will have to be compromises along the way.
Come on man, it's rediclously wasteful to have empty cars returning from workplaces. From a traffic level PoV, wear and tare. The energy wastage would hardly be negledable either. It takes a lot of juice to move steal boxes around. I think hydrogen would be a better bet in the medium term anyway. With a Cars as a Service Model, they could algorithmically pick the best route to serve someone's journey so they pick someone else up on the way back.
Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
This looks nice
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Cid
Proper break this time
Clair De Lune
Apocalypse cocktails
I think you should be more concerned by being replaced by a more efficient drone with better politics tbh.
Huh?
Proper Tidy
Arsed
I don't understand how anybody who drives isn't already convinced of the need to reduce or eliminate car reliance tbh, having to battle across a roundabout or spend half an hour trying to find somewhere to park, and there is nothing shitter than being stuck in traffic. Its bollocks. Too many fucking cars everywhere
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Probably because most of the time it's absolutely nothing like that and even on the occasions when it is you're sat there in big comfortable seats and air conditioning, listening to tunes or a book, doing a bit of work or catching up with mates in other countries. I like being sat in the car chilling out. To listen to you lot anyone would think British roads are gridlocked 24/7 and only 3 parking spaces exist. It's pure fantasy, and I'm in Central London!
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deeyo
hurled unheard to this world.
Sorry about any fluid facts. Never been to mexico city. Aware of contributing geography, though. Found a couple of articles you might get more out of than me; the one with most of the figures: Number of vehicles in 12 Mexico City municipalities has soared 600% since 2000
And:
The geography of car ownership in Mexico City: a joint model of households’ residential location and car ownership decisions
Suburbanization and car-ownership have increased rapidly in developing-world cities over the past half-century. This study examines the relationship b…
...but i still se no signs of motorization slowing down globally and no signs of anything else than stagnation in the west. I might be more pessimistic than most on the thread, i seriously doubt that our society can adapt fast enough, i think change will be forced upon us, which might not be bad in itself. But the sort of change i want springs from the people and its collective action, and i see very little of that. We are weak and sundered, which leaves room for strong leaders to enforce the bans 'we need' whether we want them or not...
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Presumably you just go for sunday drives with leather gloves on and the power of love blasting out, cos driving round anywhere outside of the country at peak hours is a fucking irritating crawl surrounded by dickheads. As for enjoying being sat in traffic just cos you've got leather seats and aircon, well I'd wager more people hate it than get some weird pleasure from it like you but it's subjective I suppose. For me I'd rather be doing something productive or spending time with my family but different folks different strokes
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Should genuinely try cycling btw spy, if you think being sat in your car is fun then you will shit your pants with joy to be whizzing past cars with your blood pumping and the wind in your ears
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Er, no. You just haven't got a clue what's genuinely going on.
I do that too though.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
When I want to do that I do it on a motorbike.
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Proper Tidy
Arsed
Don't really get your first comment, makes no sense. But anyway, you'd have more time to do that.
And cycling is not like biking, feels completely different. Give it a try.
