Egypt anti-government protests grow

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You enabled it and now you complain, well done Tamarod

The Tamarod youth movement, one of the main movements behind the demand for the removal of Mohamed Morsi and a participant in his ousting, published a press release expressing 'concern' over comments made by Egypt's interior minister on Saturday regarding the reinstatement of some departments which work on 'political security'.

The movement demanded "an immediate explanation of such alarming remarks", and said it is against "the return of the state of emergency or the return of any ministry of interior department that will work on combating religious or political activism", as such a return would be a contradiction to the January 25 revolution values.

And this:

Al Jazeera's Gregg Carlstrom explained the practical impact of the recent decision by Egypt's interim president on giving the prime minister the power to authorise the military to arrest civilians:

"Interim president Adly Mansour has given the prime minister, Hazem el-Beblawy, the power to authorise the military to arrest civilians.

Mansour's decree was published in the government's official register on Sunday.

Beblawy cannot immediately exercise this new authority, though: Under article 4 of Egypt's emergency law, the military can only arrest civilians if the president declares a state of emergency.

Local newspapers in Egypt have carried stories this week, attributed to unnamed security sources, claiming that Mansour will soon do exactly that, but so far no state of emergency has been imposed. Such a declaration could allow the military to round up supporters of deposed president Mohamed Morsi, currently camped out in sit-ins across the capital, or to arrest people on the Sinai peninsula, where militants have staged dozens of increasingly bold attacks since Morsi was ousted on July 3.

Mansour's decree also allows Beblawy to pardon anyone convicted by emergency state security courts. Several trials are still ongoing from Egypt's last state of emergency."

Oh and this shit:

"We are saddened by the spilling of blood on the 27th," Mostafa Hegazy, an adviser to interim president Adly Mansour, told reporters.

But, "we cannot decouple this (incident) from the context of terrorism," he added.

Fuck your context of terrorism.

All of the above from the AlJazeera live blog. http://blogs.aljazeera.com/liveblog/topic/egypt-21121

 

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Revolution? Coup d’état? The Certain Thing Is We Broke the Boxocracy

Interesting view on the dangers/mistakes of viewing this as :



...and missing what this may mean in terms of how there may be a significant movement of people who now view politics as beyond the ballot box almost...(of course, it should be pointed out that there needs to be a constructive side to this as currently it can be seen as only a blocking position).

On a related note:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/07/2013729103126233170.html

More than 96 percent of respondents in both Egypt and Tunisia said they did not belong to political parties [Reuters]

The majority of youth from Egypt, Tunisia, Libya and Yemen - countries that went through a revolutionary wave of demonstrations and protests that began in December 2010 - feel disenfranchised from the political process in their country, a poll conducted by Al Jazeera Studies Centre has revealed.

The study, published on Monday, also found that most of the 8,045 of women and men aged 17 to 31 surveyed from the four so-called "Arab Spring" nations, did not believe that their recently elected parliaments represented them.

"Youth were considered the main social force that sparked the revolutions and brought about the change, but they do not seem to have a grip over the course their countries are moving and the new institutions of governance that emerged do not seem to correspond with the role the youth exercised," the report said.

In Tunisia, 81 percent said the deputies of the Constituent Assembly did not represent them, while only 17 percent felt otherwise, according to the study.

In Egypt, 72 percent of the respondents said they did not feel that MPs represented them. Only 24 percent believed they did.

In Libya, 62 percent of young people believed the National Conference did not represent them.

The research, published on Monday, also examined how young people identified themselves in the four countries. It revealed that youth from Tunisia, Libya and Yemen considered themselves Muslims before affiliating themselves with their nationalistic identities.

Egypt, however, was the only country where more respondents said they felt Egyptian before identifying themselves as Muslim. About 63 percent said they were Egyptian first, while only 35 percent said they were Muslim first.

The majority of the young men and women surveyed from all four countries considered Sharia, or Islamic law, an essential source of legislation.

Support for the implementation of Sharia was the largest among Libyan youth (at about 93 percent), followed by Yemen (89 percent), Tunisia (64 percent), and Egypt (57 percent).

Given the demographics of the region (very large percentage of young people), the implications of this may be of interest for many years to come.

 

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More stuff from Tamarod that makes me spit fire.

EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton met with the Tamarod movement. One of its leaders told Al Jazeera they informed her that the EU needs to recognise that June 30th wasa revolution and not a coup, and that the movement so far refuses to meet with US ambassador Ann Patterson, while hoping the EU would have a more constructive role.

Furthermore, they said the EU needs to call for the sit-ins to be dispersed.

 

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More confirmation of what was already obvious.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/29/egypt-restores-secret-police-units

Egypt's interim government was accused of attempting to return the country to the Mubarak era on Monday, after the country's interior ministry announced the resurrection of several controversial police units that were nominally shut down following the country's 2011 uprising and the interim prime minister was given the power to place the country in a state of emergency.
Egypt's state security investigations service, Mabahith Amn ad-Dawla, a wing of the police force under President Mubarak, and a symbol of police oppression, was supposedly closed in March 2011 – along with several units within it that investigated Islamist groups and opposition activists. The new national security service (NSS) was established in its place.
But following Saturday's massacre of at least 83 Islamists, interior minister Mohamed Ibrahim announced the reinstatement of the units, and referred to the NSS by its old name. He added that experienced police officers sidelined in the aftermath of the 2011 revolution would be brought back into the fold.

"These units for monitoring political groups are not back. They never went anywhere in the first place," said Ennarah. "The only thing that happened was that they changed the name. He's trying to use a situation where the factors on the ground make it easier to re-legitimise these units and police practices."
"Basically, nothing changed at state security [in 2011] except for the name," said Heba Morayef, Egypt director at Human Rights Watch. "So what is significant is that [Ibrahim] could announce this publicly. That would have been unthinkable in 2011. This kind of monitoring of political activity was considered one of the major ills of the Mubarak era. So the fact that he has come out and said this now reflects a new confidence on behalf of the interior ministry. They feel they have been returned to their pre-2011 status."

"Our pride is back," one middle-ranking Cairo-based police officer told the Guardian, adding that state security's notorious treatment of detainees was reasonable given that, in his view, the detainees were unlikely to be innocent.
"Ninety per cent of the people I'm dealing with are guilty – so I will not deal with them nicely. I have to be tough, I have to be rough. And that's how state security behave – because 99% of the people they are dealing with are guilty.
"If you haven't done anything wrong, you have nothing to fear. The only people who should fear are the guilty ones – the ones who steal, the ones who kill, the ones who do deals with other countries. Like Morsi, who dealt with Hamas – and who wanted to sell Sinai to America," the officer added, referring to as-yet-unproven allegations that ex-president Morsi colluded with Palestinian Islamist group Hamas during the 2011 uprising.

The article ends with a glimmer of hope but I am not very excited about the level of support they may manage to muster. Hope to be proven wrong.

A new protest movement called the Third Square has begun to assemble in a square in west Cairo – rejecting the authoritarianism of both the army and Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood, and calling for a return to the true democratic values of the 2011 revolution. "Down with the Murshid [the Brotherhood's leader], down with military rule. No to the killers in state security," chanted around 75 Third Square protesters on Sunday night.
"We are here to complete the January 2011 revolution, to break down Mubarak's system," said Mahmoud Omar, a doctor. "We need to start a new democracy in Egypt. The Brotherhood model took us away from the revolution's goals – while we already had 60 years of living under the military." Mohamed Sobhi, another protester, added: "They are two sides of the same coin."

 

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There is a small report about their Sphinx Square protest, which seems to have passed off peacefully with minimal police interference,would i be wrong in thinking that at some point they will have to make their presence felt at Tahir Square. the ideological birthplace of their movement,and alongside Rabaah al-Adawiyah Mosque focus of the worlds media, Which will bring them into direct confrontation with the armies supporters.

http://www.france24.com/en/20130729-egypt-third-square-activists-reject-army-mohammed-morsi

 

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More stuff from Tamarod that makes me spit fire.

Sorry if this has been covered already, i tend to dip in and out of this thread.

http://www.madamasr.com/content/tamarod-proposes-civilian-arrest-committee-inspect-sit-ins

The committee would inspect sit-ins at Rabea al-Adaweya Mosque and Nahda Square, where deposed Islamist president Mohamed Morsi's supporters are camped, as well as sit-ins at Ettehadiya Presidential Palace and Tahrir Square, where his opponents are gathered.

Armed with arrest powers, committee members would be expected to act immediately and detain protesters should they find proof of illegal weapons possession.
“We cannot accept having weapons in the squares,” Badr said. “Not only does this harm the nation, but harms the very concept of a peaceful protest.”

So basically they want foreign security figures from Arab league countries,(with the full support of the Egyptian security apparatus i presume to process the arrests/detainees)to enter the square to search people with the powers of arrest.Can't see any flaws in that plan.

 

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Even Sandmonkey's articles disturb me these days I mean he still says lots of true and important stuff, but the emphasis frequently makes me scratch my head, especially when he says that 'our people are now in power' and are held to a higher standard of accountability. And the talk about civilian government and poo-pooing the third square movement at the end of the article really makes me sigh. Divide and conquer using the islamists really seems to have worked a treat, and is nobody there immune to denial about the extent of military power well beyond the realm of security?

http://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2013/07/31/the-dark-tunnel/

 

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and is nobody there immune to denial about the extent of military power well beyond the realm of security?

Actually I should not accuse Sandmonkey of that. But there is still something wrong with his attitude towards the present 'civilian government' if you ask me. Nor am I a fan of the way he explains the military role in getting rid of Morsi, as if they were just arresting Morsi rather than have a mob rip him apart.

 

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With al nour withdrawing from the democratic process and the brother hood likely to be either banned outright It looks like too many secularists are willing to take a wait and see aproach.
Could be a mistake.

Been following the fallout between the april sixth youth movement and the sister of kalead saeed which could undermine the legitimacy of third square Link2follow

 

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http://gulfnews.com/news/region/egy...-founders-of-april-6-youth-movement-1.1211143

 

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Thanks for the link. At least there are a few people in that article who still see and talk sense. The rest seem to have allowed anti-MB stuff to blind them and soil their stance pretty comprehensively, don't know why considering they were victims of the police.

 

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I mean Ahmed Mayer, who comes across well in that article and has not allowed the anti-MB, pro-military stuff to soil his stance, has plenty of reasons to dislike the MB seeing as he was arrested in May.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...st-ahmed-maher-detained-in-egypt-8612060.html

But now he is hounded by people in the movement who don't want the military to be criticised. Shame on them, suckers.

 

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Taking my time to get back up to date, sorry if non-posting looks like non-engagement with posts made. Cheers for keeping going elbows - i know one other regular poster couldn't post recently

 

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No worries. I only wish I had more english language sources since I'm far from getting the whole picture.

Anyway that Sandmonkey article that I wasn't exactly gushing over seems even stupider in places now since the cabinet has ordered that the MB sit-ins be broken up.

Oh and here are Tamarod having a go at the Third Square movement, which includes a little more info about the forces involved in that movement...

Egypt's Tamarod campaign has attacked the Third Square, an activist breakway group against the rule of both the Muslim Brotherhood and the army.

The initiative, led by the Strong Egypt Party and leftist groups such as the Revolutionary Socialists and the 6 April Youth Movement, rejects the 26 July demonstrations supporting the military-led roadmap as well as the Rabea al-Adaweya sit-in launched by supporters of ousted President Mohamed Morsy.

According to Tamarod spokesperson Hassan Shaheen, the Third Square is an attempt to divide Egypt and its revolutionary forces.

“Describing the 30 June protests as a coup is a lie because Egyptians were the ones who imposed their will when millions demonstrated like never before," he said.

Shaheen told Al-Masry Al-Youm that the initiative is an attempt to thwart gains made by the Egyptian people, achieved by overthrowing the Brotherhood and setting the roadmap.

He criticized the call made by the Strong Egypt Party, headed by former Brotherhood leader Abdel Moneim Aboul Fotouh, to hold a referendum.

“The revolution and its gains will not be put to a referendum," Shaheen stressed. "We [Tamarod] will support the transitional government and the Egyptian army through the current period and to confront any violence or terrorism.”

http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/tamarod-attacks-third-square-breakaway

 

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A reuters article about the Third Square:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/07/31/uk-egypt-protests-square-idUKBRE96U0Q420130731

"We are stuck between two bad options: an army killing without reason and an intolerant Islamist movement which wants a theocratic state," said Tariq Ismaeli, a 34-year-old civil engineer in jeans and red sneakers at a rally on Sunday.
"We are trying to establish a new voice," he said.
The rally in Cairo's Sphinx square drew about 300 liberals, leftists and moderate Islamists dismayed by Saturday's carnage, when security forces killed 80 Muslim Brotherhood partisans in clashes at a protest camp set up to demand Mursi's restitution.
Ismaeli and his colleagues have used Facebook and Twitter to marshal several rowdy demonstrations in downtown Cairo, seeing themselves as heirs of the popular uprising that ended Hosni Mubarak's 30 years of one-man rule in 2011.

Their banners carry the faces of Mursi and Sisi crossed out in red and a blunt message: "Topple all who betrayed us. No to theocracy. No to the military junta. Yes to a civil state."

 

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AlJazeera take a look at how many people could actually fit into areas such as Tahrir. Their headline admits both sides inflate the numbers, but their own bias means they only deal with the pro-MB protest number inflations briefly at the end.

Includes clip of Blair talking bollocks about 17 million people.

http://www.aljazeera.com/video/middleeast/2013/07/2013731172227211968.html

 

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Interior Minister Mohammed Ibrahim, who is in charge of the police, said the disbanding of the sit-ins will be carried out in gradual steps according to orders from prosecutors. "I hope they (Morsi supporters) resort to reason" and leave without authorities having to move in, he told the AP in a telephone interview.

An Interior Ministry statement later said that it will study the "appropriate steps" to be taken in the light of available intelligence on the kind of weapons available to the protesters and whether foreigners are in their midst.

The gradual steps, the ministry said, would be a warning to leave the area, use of tear gas if protesters don't leave and finally "legitimate self-defense." It did not elaborate. Police consistently deny allegations that they use live ammunition against protesters.

Interim Vice-President Mohamed ElBaradei on Tuesday implicitly condoned using force against the protesters as a last resort, but cautioned that any such use must be "within a legal framework." The Nobel Peace Laureate and former head of the U.N.'s nuclear agency had been known to oppose the use of force against Morsi's supporters.

http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268777/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=aolxI791

 

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US Secretary of State John Kerry says the Egyptian military did not take over but instead was "restoring democracy" in Egypt.

Ah yes, placing democracy in the hands of those with the right attributes to use it appropriately no doubt

 

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Catching up with some union and strike stuff from the last week or so.

Today, we have been asked to go out and authorize Al-Sisi’s killing spree, and we find all three trade union federations in agreement: the government’ Egyptian Trade Union Federation (ETUF), the Egyptian Democratic Labour Congress (EDLC), and the Egyptian Federation of Independent Trade Unions (EFITU) (of which I am a member of the Executive Committee). I debated with members of the EFITU executive committee in order to convince them not to issue a statement calling on its members and the Egyptian people to go down on Friday, confirming that the army, the police, and the people are one hand as stated in the statement. I was in the minority, winning four other votes versus nine votes, and thus all three trade union federations called for workers to join the protests on the pretext of fighting terrorism.
We are thus faced with jumping out of the frying pan into the fire. The Muslim Brotherhood committed crimes and it must be held accountable and prosecuted for them, just like police and army officers and men of the Mubarak regime must be held accountable and prosecuted for their crimes. Do not be fooled into replacing a religious dictatorship with a military dictatorship.

http://menasolidaritynetwork.com/20...fool-you-independent-union-leader-speaks-out/

A new rash of strikes across the Egyptian textile industry shows the challenges faced by the military-backed government installed in the wake of Mohamed Morsi’s overthrow.
The new government has been in power less than a month, but workers’ protests are already on the rise. This is the result of the continuation of the same anti-worker policies which pushed Egyptians into organising the largest number of protests anywhere in the world last year and was the main factor behind the fall of the Muslim Brotherhood regime.
Workers at Nasr Spinning and Weaving Company in Mahalla walked out on strike on 31 July in protest at delays in paying their wages, and the failure to pay 3 months of their annual profit-sharing bonus in time for Ramadan.
Meanwhile, the same demands are behind a twelve-day strike by workers at Stia Spinning and Weaving Company, while protests by workers at Misr Spinning and Bayda Dyers in Kafr al-Dawwar have reached day four. In Damietta, workers and the Damietta Spinning Company walked out over the same demands.

http://menasolidaritynetwork.com/2013/08/01/egypt-textile-strikes-put-pressure-on-new-government/

 

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Judging by various tweets today it sounds like local journalists have been routinely attacked at MB sit-in, and some human rights activists who went to dispel rumours that the protests were not peaceful got banned from taking photos and kicked out.

 

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Probably worth a read:

http://jnthnwrght.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/elite-angst-in-sisis-egypt-i-doubt-im.html

A few snippets, trying to resist pasting too much but as has been obvious in recent weeks I find it hard right now.

I doubt I'm alone among people with an interest in Egypt in finding myself shocked in recent weeks by the dramatic changes I've seen in many people I know. I'm talking about people who used to hold liberal views, professed to believe in democracy and the usual freedoms and respected the work of human rights activists, for example.

The ones that have shocked me most have been transformed into reactionary, intolerant, xenophobic, chauvinistic and irrational people who advocate the repression, exclusion and in some cases even the wholesale slaughter of their political opponents.

How to explain this sudden shift? My initial hypothesis (and I welcome any comment or input from others) is that many of these people saw themselves as the natural rulers of Egypt and assumed that once the dust settled after the 2011 revolution they would take their rightful place at the top of the hierarchy.

Looking back at the course of events, and at the psychology of this elite demographic, we can detect during this period the first signs of serious alarm among Egypt's traditional rulers. It was at this stage that we started to hear complaints about the campaigning methods of the Muslim Brotherhood ('They tell people they'll go to heaven if they vote for the Brotherhood', 'They give them free sugar to win their votes') and references to the gullibility of the great unwashed. A well-known author openly questioned whether illiterate people should be allowed to vote at all

Faced with the reality of an Islamist movement that has millions of supporters and that does not recognize the legitimacy of the new rules, and with foreign commentators who are sceptical about the wisdom of using military force to overthrow elected leaders, some of the Brotherhood's opponents seem to have been going through real trauma at the personal level, particularly with respect to outsiders.

I suspect that this trauma is contributing to the clamor for the security forces to disperse the pro-Morsi encampments in Cairo. The encampments are a constant reminder of the Other in their midst, of those millions of Egyptians who do not agree with them. They want us all to close our eyes while they mandate the men of violence to 'solve the problem' for them. They don't want to see the blood, they don't want to hear the screams. As they keep saying, they want 'their country' back - a country cleansed of irritating troublemakers who have ideas above their station.

 

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http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreen...lims-around-the-world-to-wage-jihad-in-egypt/

I wondered how long Eygptian Islamic Jihad would remain muted in the face of army aggression against their fellow islamists on their home soil.
Any comment from me feels facile in light of this development.

 

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Whats he got to do with Egyptian Islamic Jihad? He is not affiliated with them in particular as far as I know, rather the MB. And I have to say that any article that sloppily talks of the Syrianization of Egypt is not much good. As for Qatar, they are clearly not pleased with developments and would like the see the MB back in power, but I doubt they seriously consider backing a war because unlike in Syria and Libya, that would place them at odds with the US etc. And right now any attempts at that level of violence beyond the Sinai would play straight into the hands of the Egytian militaries attempts to paint the situation as a new war on terror.

There is no doubt that some very strong language is being thrown around, and apparently the MB send rather different messages to the english language audience than they do everyone else. But its too early to predict quite where the word Jihad will belong in Egypt in future, no matter what highly influential clerics say right now.

Speaking more generally, I expect there are some serious concern about what the long term implications are of the coups giant slap in the face for Islamist government via democratic elections. But some of the marginalising implications are probably considered rather desirable if it keeps islamists from being an overwhelming electoral force, teaching them that there is no point playing that rigged game. If there was a genuine war on terror thats only priority was to put a lid on violence then I would not say that, but its true aims are clearly not that straightforward and a certain level of violence is probably considered preferable to having islamists in power by other means.

 

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The syria reference is i suspect due to his calling for jihad against Assad as recently as june, it is quite a momentous announcement since up to late july he was calling for the peaceful reinstatement of morsi. This hardening of rhetoric is a very disturbing development and coupled with the armies bloody crackdown on the Islamist groups is i suspect a very difficult call for EIJ to ignore. Particularly as kerry has condoned the legitimacy of the coup.


I think one thing is certain is that the Army will not allow anything to jeopardise its prestige by damaging its status as 3rd largest recipient of US Military aid which means that effectively the democratic path is blocked for Islamicist groups in eygpt, pretty much as anything with a whiff of socialism was in south america.

Spoiler

Top Recipients of U.S. Military Aid, FY2010​

Country $U.S. millions​

Afghanistan 6,800.3​

Israel 2,799.5​

Egypt 1,301.9​

Iraq 1,006.0​

Pakistan 913.9​

Jordan 303.8​

Somalia 204.0​

Colombia 185.8​

Russia 126.8​

Sudan 104.9​

Mexico 96.0​

Poland 55.6​

anyways your right its a shit article by a suspect author.

e2a http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-N...-kills-3-workers-hurts-16/UPI-14031373881253/

 

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http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/07/jihad-threat-egypt-sinai.html

 

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Egypt: “Do not let the army fool you” – independent union leader speaks out

 

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Just thought i'd post this series of amazing pics on here: Egypt’s 1952 revolution and military rule, a history in photos

A huge banner demanding release of political prisoners is carried by Egyptians in a procession through Cairo streets on Nov. 14, 1951 as a three-day 'Hate Britain' campaign is started. It is part of the Egyptian attempt to get the British out of Egypt and the Egyptians into the Sudan. Most of the political prisoners are members of the Moslem Brotherhood.

 

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Fascinating stuff. Being reminded of that period of Egyptian history really does put into perspective all those years when the Mubarak regime managed to keep huge numbers of people off the streets, quite a feat.

Meanwhile the stream of news in recent days has been increasingly focussed on various players including the EU and USA working on a deal with the MB. The latest from Reuters has some details of what is being offered:

Egypt's army and government will offer to free some Muslim Brotherhood members from jail, unfreeze the group's assets and give it three ministerial posts in a bid to end the country's political crisis, a senior military source said on Monday.
"The initiative will be made so that we can end the crisis and have the Brotherhood end their sit-ins," the military source told Reuters. A political source familiar with the proposal confirmed the details.

 

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Tamarod & friends seem to have developed a real addiction to terrorist-related rhetoric.

http://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2013/...ject-deals-with-terrorist-muslim-brotherhood/

The youth from Tamarod, the National Salvation Front and the June 30 Front announced their rejection of a “political deal” with the Muslim Brotherhood.
In a joint statement on Tuesday, the groups expressed concern surrounding the current political scene and “rumors of the intention to create a political deal between the Egyptian state and the Muslim Brotherhood terrorists.”

The statement also called on the security apparatus to swiftly deal with terrorism and violence in accordance with the law, saying: “the Egyptian people stand side-by-side with the Egyptian authorities and security services in the face of terrorism and extremism.”

The collective said it appreciated international efforts “that are consistent with the inherent right of the Egyptian people in confronting terrorism and extremism,” but also said it rejected any international intervention that was “supportive” of terrorism and against the will and sovereignty of the Egyptian people.”

Since it is quite plausible that much of the rhetoric by the military and government towards the MB is about pressuring them to do a deal rather than a sign that they are prepared to slaughter the lot of them, I doubt Tamarods attempts to deny the MB are a political force and simply paint them all as terrorists, is going to line up well with the eventual reality. They do continue to make other demands such as justice and trials for all those responsible for violence since 2011, but as usual this involves some doublethink considering their cheerleading of the military and police, let alone what they seem to want to happen to MB protesters.

The group also called on the transitional government to carry out fair and transparent trials and investigations of all those accused of crimes from 25 January 2011 until now.

 

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Some days ago Amnesty took a look at some of the very bad stuff some MB supporters seem to have been up to:

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/egypt-evidence-points-torture-carried-out-morsi-supporters-2013-08-02

Evidence, including testimonies from survivors, indicates that supporters of deposed President Mohamed Morsi tortured individuals from a rival political camp, said Amnesty International.
Anti-Morsi protesters told Amnesty International how they were captured, beaten, subjected to electric shocks or stabbed by individuals loyal to the former President. Since mass rival rallies began in late June, as of 28 July, eight bodies have arrived at the morgue in Cairo bearing signs of torture. At least five of these were found near areas where pro-Morsi sit-ins were being held.

“The apparent use of torture for reprisal attacks is unacceptable. People should not take the law into their own hands. Political leaders have a responsibility to condemn these criminal acts and call on their supporters to renounce such human rights abuses. The Egyptian government must not, however, use these crimes, carried out by few, as a pretext to collectively punish all pro-Morsi supporters or use excessive force to disperse their sit-ins.”

Amnesty International has found that the capture and torture of suspected anti-Morsi protesters most frequently occurs during or in the immediate aftermath of violent clashes between the two camps.

Lots of gruesome detail in the full article.