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Egypt anti-government protests grow

while i admit to being unsure I strongly sense that whats being very much overlooked in a lot of this analysis are Morsis attempts at warmongering , at home and abroad. Only weeks ago he stood silently while his MB officials were casually talking about going to war with Ethiopia...apparently on a whim with no consultation with the military who definitely dont see that type of carry on as their role. No rebuke from Morsi who just gave them their head .
If that wasnt bad enough immediately afterwards he takes a very open side in the Syrian conflict , kicks out the syrian ambassador and then starts openly urging egyptians to go and wage Jihad in Syria. And hinting heavily that the military would be going in to help topple Assad..which was very much news to them . And to make matters worse it was in the midst of this speech that his fellow speakers were denouncing shias and the like along with those who opposed Morsi at home in egypt as infidels in the context of the very jihad Morsi was calling for. Which were basically omens of a civil war in Egypt itself . It was on the back of these sentiments being whipped up that his followers went into pogrom mode and started slaughtering shia pilgrims in egypt, so it wasnt idle talk by any means .

“We have decided to close down the Syrian Embassy in Cairo. The Egyptian envoy in Damascus will also be withdrawn. The people of Egypt and its army will not leave Syrians until their rights are granted and the new elected leadership is chosen.”

was that the red line he crossed ? his intent to send egypt into war mode and unilaterally attack an arab neighbour as part of his loony jihad ?

this article immediately prior to the events that ousted him certainly seems to think he crossed a big line there back on june 15, which was when the military itself started publicly rebuking his statements.

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=morsi jihad syria&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDIQFjAB&url=http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/africa/morsi-role-at-syria-rally-seen-as-tipping-point-for-egypt-army-1.1450612&ei=_03nUZSHOOTw0gXAvYG4Cg&usg=AFQjCNEgWD5GZs5aSw1S61pkFWj4OclnoA
 
Continuing from the Gaza tunnels tweet, this from the AlJazeera Egypt blog:


Hamas has appealed to Egypt's new rulers not to pursue its destruction of smuggling tunnels into the Gaza Strip, warning they risked throttling the small Palestinian territory.

Ismail Haniyeh, prime minister of the Hamas Gaza government, warned of disaster if the tunnels were shut off without other entry points being opened.

"This is going to strangle Gaza. We appreciate that Egypt has security needs, but at the same time the needs of our people that should not be affected," he said at a public event.

Palestinians say Egyptian forces have destroyed dozens of tunnels linking Gaza to Egypt since the ousting of President Mohamed Morsi earlier this month, severely hindering the inflow of vital goods, including fuel.
 
Not seen a translation of the speech myself but some bits are emerging in english of the tv speech Mansour gave"


CAIRO, July 18 (Reuters) - Egypt's interim president, Adli Mansour, said on Thursday some people were trying to drive Egypt into "chaos" and promised to restore stability and security to the country.
"We are going through a critical stage and some want us to move towards chaos and we want to move towards stability. Some want a bloody path," Mansour said in a televised speech, his first since he was sworn in on July 4.
"We will fight a battle for security until the end," he added. (Reporting by Yasmine Saleh and Ulf Laessing and Ahmed Tolba)
http://www.trust.org/item/20130718192022-qtf1h/?source=shtw
 
In a statement posted on Facebook, military spokesman Col. Ahmed Mohammed Ali said that “whoever resorts to violence and deviates from peacefulness in Friday’s rallies will put his life in danger.”

Violators “will be dealt with decisively according to the law,” Ali said.

Brotherhood spokesman Ahmed Aref denied claims circulating Thursday that Morsi supporters planned to be violent in the coming protests, telling journalists that sit-ins held since before the coup showed their movement is peaceful. One speaker at the event, who didn’t identify himself, earlier claimed that Egyptian intelligence agents spread the rumors, but did not elaborate.

“We vehemently deny that we have pamphlets calling for road blocking or targeting military installations. All this is misleading,” Aref said.


The Friday rallies coincide with the tenth day of Ramadan, which Egyptians celebrate as the day the armed forces crossed the Suez Canal in the 1973 war with Israel.

Badie used the occasion to celebrate achievements of the armed forces and appeal to members of the military to remember that their real mission was to defend Egypt. He distinguished between leaders of the coup and the rest of the armed forces, saying Egypt is going through a “major crisis.”

“We call on the leaders of the coup to return to righteousness, (to) quit what is wrong,” he said. In the sit-in by Morsi supporters, organizers read Badie’s message. The protesters immediately broke out into the chant: “The people and army are one hand.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...d3a6f6-efd1-11e2-8c36-0e868255a989_story.html
 
Dodgy.


In a speech at a military graduation ceremony, which was broadcast on television, Gen Sisi said: "I urge the people to take to the streets this coming Friday to prove their will and give me, the army and police, a mandate to confront possible violence and terrorism."

"So that in case there was a resort to violence and terrorism, the army would have a mandate to confront this."

Our correspondent says that Gen Sisi's call showed who was really in charge in Egypt - not the interim president picked by the military, Adly Mahmud Mansour, but the military itself.
He says it may be a sign of frustration that protests against the interim government are still going on.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23434809
Tamarod have fuck all propaganda credibility too with this sort of shit:
But Gen Sisi's call has been backed by Tamarod, the rebel movement that co-ordinated the protests in June which brought millions onto the street and resulted in President Morsi's removal. They say it's the army and the people against terrorism - but this is clearly the army and some of the people against the Muslim Brotherhood.
 
Yes, complete with shades. Coup? What coup?

General-Abdel-Fatah-Sisi-010.jpg
 
Meanwhile on the economic front:

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsCon...omy-needs-stimulus,-gradual-subsidy-refo.aspx
The former World Bank economist and first-time minister, who otherwise offered few specifics on upcoming policy, confirmed that the interim government was committed to pushing ahead with the implementation of a smart card system for distributing state-subsidised fuel launched by the previous administration.

Echoing the former government's latest announcements, Galal confirmed that the new system would initially be used to prevent smuggling rather than ration fuel to card holders.
According to former petroleum minister Osama Kamal, no less than 20 percent of Egypt's subsidised fuel is lost to smuggling and black markets.

Galal did not specify when and how the cards, which until late June were officially intended to ration subsidised fuel, would be used for that purpose.

Egypt's wasteful fuel subsidy system consumes around a fifth of budget expenditure.
Past governments, including Morsi's have struggled to implement subsidy cuts, which would be deeply unpopular. Despite pressure from the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the law passed by Morsi on 29 June increased total government spending on energy subsidies by LE20 billion ($2.8 billion).

Asked about Egypt's stalled negotiations with the IMF over a long-sought $4.8 billion loan, the minister said it was "neither urgent nor sufficient'' for Egypt's economy.

"This issue has been given more importance than it merits in my view," said Galal. "This loan is not a question of life and death."

Galal, who said he had been privy to negotiations over the IMF loan in the past, did not rule out Egypt returning to the negotiating table over the loan, "though this time it will be on our own terms,'' he added.

The IMF's dissatisfaction with Egypt's proposed economic reforms to secure the loan in April led the finance ministry to revise the 2013/14 draft budget, reducing total expenditure by nearly 15 percent, to LE589.3 billion (roughly $98.5 billion), according the state-owned Al-Ahram daily newspaper.

Yet an agreement with the international lender eluded Morsi's government.

The minister said the $12 billion in aid recently pledged to Egypt by Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Kuwait would tide it over for some time, but that ultimately structural reform was essential to achieving long-term economic recovery.

Asked about the 2013/14 budget, which was stalled after the fall of Morsi's regime, Galal refused to comment on whether it would be subject to amendment, saying it was too early to tell.
 
Who is this prick Mohamed Khamis that some in tho years version of the protest movement call 'the general?'. He was been quoted by the likes of the Guardian before, but I can find precious little out about him in English.

"What General Sisi said today is very good," said Mohamed Khamis, a leading Tamarod activist. "We support it, we will go out on the streets on Friday, and ask the army and the police to go and end this terrorism. We all invite citizens to go out into the street asking the police and the army to finish it, even by force."

Khamis denied the army had too much power. "The army is clear this time that it's working for the citizens, not for itself – this isn't like 2011 [under Scaf]. I don't think the army is seeking to control the country any more," Khamis said.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/24/egypt-army-chief-support-citizens
 
As far as I can tell so far today these are the main developments:

In a move that should surprise nobody, the US has decided it wasn't a coup because it would not be in the US national interest to call it a coup.

5 reported dead in Alexandria.

They are pressing ahead with 'legitimising' the detention of Morsi by accusing him of conspiring with Hamas to break people including himself out of prison in 2011.

I continue to be unimpressed by the number of people the MB can get out onto the streets to demonstrate in major urban areas.

Plenty of al-Sissi worship continues. And plenty buying into the whole 'lets call the MB terrorists and get excited about public participation in this glorious Egyptian war on terror'. I'm sure plenty are not buying into it either, but their voices are harder to hear.

Occasionally there is talk of much of this being about applying pressure to the MB to reach a deal behind the scenes, most recently with some talk of Saturday as being some kind of deadline for the MB to come to the table.
 
ElBaradei tweet translation via AlJazeera:

Time to rationally end miserable polarization, in which we live, to uphold the spirit of tolerance, and to start construction with the help of every Egyptian

And the Bo Selecta-chinned president speaketh:

Tweets by @RawyaRageh
Interim pres Adly Mansour in phone intrvw on Al Hayat TV, pres asks 'what now after mandate?' He responds: state must step in

Interim pres Adly Mansour says 'state can no longer accept the state of streets being blocked, state institutions threatened'

Interim pres Mansour: I tell the world turn on ur TVs, watch the numbers out on streets.. Is this a coup? Final word is to the ppl

Interim Pres Mansour to Al Hayat TV: I am president to all Egyptians, including those in Rabaa and Nahda (#Morsi supporters)

Mansour to pro #Morsi protesters: if you feel you're defending lost cause, fear nothing.. Leave, go home & you won't be sought after
 
I continue to be unimpressed by the number of people the MB can get out onto the streets to demonstrate in major urban areas.

It certainly exposes how hollow the threats they made on the verge of Morsi getting coup'd actually were. Seem to have alienated a good proportion of their own supporters.
 
HebaAfify: In the last few hours most of the injuries arriving to Raba' field hospital are with live ammo, I've seen cases shot in the head and heart.

AP: BREAKING: Doctor at Islamist-led rally in Cairo says death toll from clashes with security at least 38

Egyptocracy: TT @Sherif7assan: I swear that both, police and pro #Morsi protesters, are armed.

#Egypt #MB #Morsi

mnebibattal: RT @soltanlife: All live rounds to the head, neck or chest! #militarymassacre http://t.co/RPD8PCHAXU” #AntiCoup #Egypt #SisiStartsToMassacre
 
Figures of 100+ dead are floating around but I don't think we have a clear picture quite yet. Does seem to have been the police involved rather than the military, at least in the clashes reported on so far.

 
shouldn't there be a global outcry about this, the MB leaders may be dubious , but this is murder of unarmed civilians.


If its anything like last time, the other week when the military were killing people left, right and centre, then there will be the usual muted complaints. And calls for restraint on all sides which are really weasel words which fail to call out the main perpetrators. And the small number of armed (often with crude DIY shotguns) MB supporters will be used to further muddy the waters.

However based on the response so far even William Hague has at least slightly turned up the volume on the weasel words.


Mr Hague said: "I am deeply concerned by recent events in Egypt, and condemn the use of force against protesters which has led to the loss of lives.

"I call on all sides to refrain from violence. Now is the time for dialogue, not confrontation. It is the responsibility of leaders on all sides to take steps to reduce tensions.

"I call on the Egyptian authorities to respect the right of peaceful protest, to cease the use of violence against protesters, including live fire, and to hold to account those responsible.

"I also call on the Egyptian authorities to release political leaders detained following the events of July 3, or charge them in accordance with the law. Such charges must be free from any suspicion that they are politically motivated.

"In our view, Egypt needs a political process that includes all groups on an equal footing leading to early and fair elections which all parties are able to contest."
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/william-hague-criticises-egyptian-security-2095228
 
However based on the response so far even William Hague has at least slightly turned up the volume on the weasel words.

Its still barely audible, though:

"I call on the Egyptian authorities to respect the right of peaceful protest, to cease the use of violence against protesters, including live fire

:rolleyes:

I also take it that Blair is still in favour of this turn of events.
 
http://www.egyptindependent.com/new...nd-monitor-political-and-religious-activities
Interior Minister Mohamed Ibrahim has reinstated departments' duty to combat extremism and monitor political and religious activities, activities which were suspended after the 25 January revolution.

He also said during a press conference on Saturday that promotions of police personnel would be announced on Monday.

“The untechnical restructuring of the Interior Ministry after the revolution, and the abolition of certain departments, are the reasons for the extremist activities that we see now,” Ibrahim said.

“Safety cannot be restored without political security,” he added.

 
The state are also making increased use of video to demonstrate the non-peaceful nature of protests.

Watch out for ear-jarring noises at points early in this video.

 
AP EXCLUSIVE: EGYPT MILITARY BUILDS CASE ON MORSI

CAIRO (AP) — Egypt's criminal investigation against the ousted president, announced Friday, is likely just the start of wider legal moves against Mohammed Morsi and his Muslim Brotherhood — ominous prospects for a country seething with violent divisions.

During Morsi's three weeks in secret detention, military intelligence agents have extensively questioned him on the inner workings of his presidency and of the Brotherhood, seeking to prove he committed crimes including handing state secrets to the Islamist group, military officials told The Associated Press.

Military intelligence has had sole access to him and has questioned him at least once a day, sometimes for up to five hours, the officials said. At times they have presented him voice recordings of his conversations to question him on them, they said.

Throughout, Morsi has been denied access to television and newspapers, they said. He has been moved at least three times between Defense Ministry facilities in armored vehicles under heavy guard. He is currently in a facility outside Cairo, they said, without elaborating.

The military appears not to have decided yet what to do with the information it is gathering. But the officials said it could be used to fuel the civilian prosecution already underway, indict other Brotherhood figures or to justify a more dramatic move: renewing the ban on the Muslim Brotherhood itself....

Gallery: Violence erupts in Egypt
 
The state are also making increased use of video to demonstrate the non-peaceful nature of protests.

Watch out for ear-jarring noises at points early in this video.



Aside from the bloke at 4:26 onwards (and its a bit odd how the camera focused on him, as the gun was concealed up to that point), that just looks like most riots. They will need more justification if they are hoping to claim that shooting more than a hundred unarmed people was justified.
 
Aside from the bloke at 4:26 onwards (and its a bit odd how the camera focused on him, as the gun was concealed up to that point), that just looks like most riots. They will need more justification if they are hoping to claim that shooting more than a hundred unarmed people was justified.


Think they shot several hundred people, around 100 of whom died from their injuries. They'll probably claim they were all terrorists.
 
Aside from the bloke at 4:26 onwards (and its a bit odd how the camera focused on him, as the gun was concealed up to that point), that just looks like most riots. They will need more justification if they are hoping to claim that shooting more than a hundred unarmed people was justified.


You seem to be judging them and their bullshit by standards other than those demonstrated by the Egyptian state before, during and after the revolution. At the best of times they could rarely restrain themselves from shooting people in the eyes. Now that their attempts to divide and conquer, claim popular support and reanimate the Islamist terrorist bogeyman while evoking army strongman worship are in full swing it looks like they are going to shift the killing up a gear. This eventuality is a good part of the reason why I started ranting repeatedly in this thread a few weeks ago, the setting up of this scene has not exactly been subtle.

In terms of the number of dead, one MB spokesman gave a figure a fair bit lower than 100 earlier and the number of injured have ranged from hundreds to thousands.
 
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