Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
I know this one; is it the possibility of yet another thread derailing spat?
Cheers - Louis (that's my last off topic post on this thread) MacNeice
Egypt anti-government protests grow
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I know this one; is it the possibility of yet another thread derailing spat?
Cheers - Louis (that's my last off topic post on this thread) MacNeice
Please don't turn this thread to that kind of shit.
pk
drink flounce rinse repeat
The absence of marxist secular twats like you for starters...
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
please, nice please can we keep this on topic?
And yes, that request goes out to PK and Louis too
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
El Baradei has said he'll return to egypt but not lead the protests, which means to me this revolution may be hijacked by a pro-western liberal
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
I know Egypt quite well, and AFAIK there has always been a fair sized army base there, what with it being suez, beyond that god knows. I took my info from the grauniad.
However, according to this source they torched a police post
Also, some NDP offices got the same treatment.
as to how good these sources are - dunno.
Guardian also said all 3 protesters killed were in suez, and ther cops unleashed rubber bullets, teargas and watercannon on them
e2a: apols, can't get link to work. should work now. ta c66
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Still very early days in Egypt - I'd hesitate to procliam it as a revolution yet.
Momentum may keep building with more and more people on the streets, in that situation the role of the army will be critical ( as in all revolutions) if significnet numbers refuse to take part in a crack down - or switich sides - then we may see Mubarak sprinting accross the runway to board the exile express flight to Saudi.
We are not there yet. But we are nearer then we were a week ago.
Alternatively the pressure from the protests might be enought for the other members of the regime to force Mubatak to stand down - but leave them in charge with little real change (as speculated above).
Whatever happens accross the Arab world in the near future, the revolt/revolution in Tunisa has given millions of oppressed peoples a powerful secular focus of dissent and may help eclipse the whole spectre of Islamic Radicalism - a convinient bogeyman which has helped preserve a whole swathe of shitty, murderous regimes that are long overdue an appointment with the dustbin of history.
Saudi next! (we can hope)
Momentum may keep building with more and more people on the streets, in that situation the role of the army will be critical ( as in all revolutions) if significnet numbers refuse to take part in a crack down - or switich sides - then we may see Mubarak sprinting accross the runway to board the exile express flight to Saudi.
We are not there yet. But we are nearer then we were a week ago.
Alternatively the pressure from the protests might be enought for the other members of the regime to force Mubatak to stand down - but leave them in charge with little real change (as speculated above).
Whatever happens accross the Arab world in the near future, the revolt/revolution in Tunisa has given millions of oppressed peoples a powerful secular focus of dissent and may help eclipse the whole spectre of Islamic Radicalism - a convinient bogeyman which has helped preserve a whole swathe of shitty, murderous regimes that are long overdue an appointment with the dustbin of history.
Saudi next! (we can hope)
There are emerging reports of some military units refusing orders,mainly on Twitter but a hopeful sign nevertheless.
Muslim Brotherhood to support protests after prayers,don't know if this is a bad thing or good,but certainly ratchets up the stakes.
Muslim Brotherhood to support protests after prayers,don't know if this is a bad thing or good,but certainly ratchets up the stakes.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
A lot of 'experts', commentators and 'governmental sources' keep saying that the Egyptian regime is unlikely to be in any real danger.
But Im not convinced - how do they know what is going to happen?
The same was said about the Shah or Irans regime and Ceucescuas. The whole nature of revolutions is that their unpredicatability, events can escalate very fast. Its only afterwards that the same commentators will talk about the 'inevitability' of the collapse.
None of its inevitable - its down to the courage and determination of millions of ordinary people.
How can they predict how many people will take to the street and how angry they are?
How can they know what effect that will have on the ordinary army conscripts?
It sounds like a combination of complacency and talking up the regime.
(Its noticebly very different to how the wav of protests in Iran was reported a few years ago).
But Im not convinced - how do they know what is going to happen?
The same was said about the Shah or Irans regime and Ceucescuas. The whole nature of revolutions is that their unpredicatability, events can escalate very fast. Its only afterwards that the same commentators will talk about the 'inevitability' of the collapse.
None of its inevitable - its down to the courage and determination of millions of ordinary people.
How can they predict how many people will take to the street and how angry they are?
How can they know what effect that will have on the ordinary army conscripts?
It sounds like a combination of complacency and talking up the regime.
(Its noticebly very different to how the wav of protests in Iran was reported a few years ago).
Is there a problem with jobs and poverty in Saudi Arabia?
AKA pseudonym
Well-Known Member
Um.. where do you think the majority of the info is coming from? media? twitter? Facebook? supplied by who?
If you follow the links given and maybe get involved in the ircs and what anon is trying to do, assist with others getting info out, you might come from a position of understanding..
Im not gonna jerk of over riot pron, or even stray off-topic here, rather help get real info out there.. There has been some amazing technical support given.. even Cairo residents with wifi have left them unpassword connected to help activists there get the message out..
Why talk about something when there is an opportunity to actually do something from your keyboard, than merely criticise others?
Does international solidarity mean anything to you?
and to confirm: a million march is to take place tomorrow #Jan28 following Friday prayers
and seems the UK police are cracking down here too Five arrested under Computer Misuse Act
stuff_it
Too skool for cool
for those that got nicked thoughHappen as maybe, but people get information from facebook, news sources, twitter etc all the time without feeling compelled to post logos relating to those outlets or, indeed, shifting the topic onto those outlets themselves. Anonymous isn't the story here any more than the BBC is when there's been a murder.
Now can we quit with these derails?
AKA pseudonym
Well-Known Member
btw: i posted 1 image in the hope of getting people active.. no harm there board police.. last disrail!
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
They're aiming for a million people on the streets tomorrow (Friday isn't a work day in Egypt), and ho hum, the bloody MB are trying to get involved
dylans
overlord of all acorns
He is going to be the elite option to save their power if they are forced to chuck Mubarak. He will make a big deal of supporting the protests until Mubarak falls then claim victory and perhaps hold elections which the west will support and he will win.
The regime will remain minus Mubarak and his son and nothing will change for the mass of the working class and poor. The "revolution" will be given a fancy new name, like the Lilac revolution or something and the worlds leaders will praise the country as a new democracy. the middle classes and elites who are advocating political reform will be satisfied and the working classes who are motivated by economic demands will get shat on. This is what is happening in Tunisia except in Tunisia there is no face to put on the movement. Tunisia's problem is they are trying to rebrand faces who are dirtied by the old regime and that is proving difficult to sell. In Egypt they have a nice, pro Western liberal to parade as the new messiah.
Those forces who wish to overthrow the whole regime and carry out a real revolution will be crushed and the West will still have a compliant pro Israeli regime in their pocket.
At least this is the plan. The actions of the Egyptian masses may throw a spanner in that plan however.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Tomorrow is the key day in this. Mass demonstrations have been callled for after friday prayers. Tomorrow is the day for every Egyptian to decide what they want and if they want an end to the regime they need to join the protests in their hundreds of thousands and take their destiny into their own hands. If this happens I think Mubarak is finished. If tomorrow doesn't result in the biggest demonstrations in Egypts history, if it is a few thousand and if it is beaten off the streets then the regime may yet crush this movement.
I think tomorrow is going to be an incredible day, a day that changes history. I think we may see a million people take to the streets of Cairo and the day may end with Mubaraks fall.
I think tomorrow is going to be an incredible day, a day that changes history. I think we may see a million people take to the streets of Cairo and the day may end with Mubaraks fall.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
I think all of this is absolutely spot on - with the rider that the worst case scenario is too fucking bleakly awful to contemplate. but no <re-doffs optimists hat>, I don't think we'll get that. They/this has gone too far now, the people are rising, genie's out of the bottle etc
Are those from today?
That's pretty historic in itself. http://twitter.com/alibasyoni
Anyone heard any more about the rumour that some central Mosques will be closed tomorrow to prevent congregation?
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
I must admit, hearing that Elbaradei is returning but not leading the protests reminds me of the old socalist joke about the huge crowd of marching protesters, and the nondescript bloke walking alongside the protest, who when asked why he's there, said "I'm their leader"
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