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Egypt anti-government protests grow

I read a lot of people this morning arguing that people should be back out today - don't wait till after friday prayers (the trad time for protests apparently), don't allow the security forces get a chance to breathe.
 
Just had a Facebook message from an Egyptian friend saying that the 'big day' is Friday after prayers.
 
Streathamite said:
Some army units in suez have refused to support the crackdown
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I think we need to clear up what happened in Suez - last night people were saying the army had been sent in but others on the ground said that they weren't and what had happened was some army thing (training base maybe? Can't recall now) is permanently based there and some people mistook their vehicles for proper army. Can anyone clear up the picture?
 
butchersapron said:
I think we need to clear up what happened in Suez - last night people were saying the army had been sent in but others on the ground said that they weren't and what had happened was some army thing (training base maybe? Can't recall now) is permanently based there and some people mistook their vehicles for proper army. Can anyone clear up the picture?
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I read last night from a chap in Suez (although his info was second hand from his grandmother who lived downtown) that they were police vehicles. I'll see if I can find the source.

I think there was a lot of panic about what was happening in Suez as first hand information from there has been so sparse
 
Mohamed ElBaradei seems to be getting a fair amount of attention, and is apparently returning to Egypt today.

The BBC website continues to avoid giving prominence to stories about Egypt.

The FT has a story about this being the end of tawrith (inherited rule), and that even if Mubarek hangs on, the plans to install his former-banker son as his successor have been dealt a fatal blow.

The Egyptian stock market is taking a hammering.

The most interesting thing Ive read today is the following, hope its true.

The Nation's Habiba Hamid is suggesting Mubarak's own government is telling him to step down or leave the country.

She tweets:

Just had confirmed that Mubarak is still in Sharm El Sheikh, not taking advice from his own government to step down or leave the country
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/jan/27/egypt-protests
 
dylans said:
I agree. Though I don't share the disdain that some have for anon. I think people should take it to a separate thread.
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Odd how people forget that Wikileaks = Anonymous.

I very much doubt there would be quite the domino effect were it not for the anonymously leaked cables.

I'd be up for hearing who else can take as much credit for empowering the people of several nations to rise up like this apart from the whole Anonymous/Wikileaks group.

I support what they do because it's working, and of course the fact that they don't give a shit for tired old left wing rhetoric that hasn't achieved much for these people before.
 
pk said:
Odd how people forget that Wikileaks = Anonymous.

I very much doubt there would be quite the domino effect were it not for the anonymously leaked cables.

I'd be up for hearing who else can take as much credit for empowering the people of several nations to rise up like this apart from the whole Anonymous/Wikileaks group.

I support what they do because it's working, and of course the fact that they don't give a shit for tired old left wing rhetoric that hasn't achieved much for these people before.
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Anonymous aren't wikileaks. And neither of them are on the ground in Egypt which is what this thread is about according to the thread title. Wikileaks may have acted as a catalyst, but so have many other factors such as employment, social conditions etc which is usually behind this sort of thing.
 
elbows said:
The most interesting thing Ive read today is the following, hope its true.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/jan/27/egypt-protests
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Well, it wouldn't surprise me, but i'm not sure it'd be that good news. There's been a new guard of NDP gradually taking over state power over the last decade, looting the state for themselves and the private interests they represent - i'm sure they'd love Murbarak gone peacefully all the easier from them to get a bigger slice of the pie...
 
pk said:
Odd how people forget that Wikileaks = Anonymous.
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Eh?

Personally I believe that focus on one group is watering down the point severely. Its the power of people & the internet in general that is the relevant thing, not a specific group.And thats still far from the whole story, which is as much about rising food prices, decades of pent-up frustration, a success in one place inspiring others to try the same, and self-immolation as anything.
 
THe army ranks' response is now crucial. If enough conscripts refuse to assist the crackdown (or even join the protests) then it really is a revolution
 
butchersapron said:
There were loads going around last night saying pretty much what you outlined above. But there's so many things to wade though to find them again it's near impossible. I'm sure it will become a bit clearer later today.
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I've added the link to what I read ^^^
 
butchersapron said:
Well, it wouldn't surprise me, but i'm not sure it'd be that good news. There's been a new guard of NDP gradually taking over state power over the last decade, looting the state for themselves and the private interests they represent - i'm sure they'd love Murbarak gone peacefully all the easier from them to get a bigger slice of the pie...
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Indeed. Quite how that stuff plays out in Tunisia is still undetermined though, let alone Egypt. I've very little quality information about the factions within Egypts ruling elite so I've nothing useful to add at this time, except to say that the idea that removal of one person at the top is enough to contain uprisings does not seem to be a safe bet these days.
 
elbows said:
Indeed. Quite how that stuff plays out in Tunisia is still undetermined though, let alone Egypt. I've very little quality information about the factions within Egypts ruling elite so I've nothing useful to add at this time, except to say that the idea that removal of one person at the top is enough to contain uprisings does not seem to be a safe bet these days.
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There was a quite useful piece in Middle East Report (long term secular 'progressive' journal) over xmas that is well worth a read for that sort of stuff:
The Liquidation of Egypt’s Illiberal Experiment
 
Citizen66 said:
Anonymous aren't wikileaks. And neither of them are on the ground in Egypt which is what this thread is about according to the thread title. Wikileaks may have acted as a catalyst, but so have many other factors such as employment, social conditions etc which is usually behind this sort of thing.
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There are plenty of Egyptians who are Anons! :D
 
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