Urban75 Home About Offline BrixtonBuzz Contact

Egypt anti-government protests grow

Odd getting a 'page not found' on that link. Israel won't have the status of being the only democracy in the ME if Egypt goes right...

Link works fine for me. But here is a snippet for you.
But the fear of serious strife in Egypt has set alarm bells ringing in Israel.

"The Israeli strategic community is praying that this unrest in Egypt will fade away and not escalate into a prolonged period of instability," said Gidi Grinstein, founder and president of the respected Reut Institute think tank.

Israel has long sought normal relations with its neighbours, but Egypt was its only Arab associate until the peace process launched by the 1993 Oslo interim accords led to a treaty with Jordan and a few other Arab countries.

However, Egypt remains by far its most important Middle East partner, a regular facilitator in interminable peace negotiations and until now a rock of stability in an otherwise turbulent area.

Israeli officials say in private they cannot believe President Hosni Mubarak will be overthrown by the demonstrations. But if he should fall, there is no guarantee whoever might follow him will continue to tend to Israel ties.

Ordinary Egyptians have never warmed to Israel, despite more than three decades of peace, and regularly blame it for their woes.

"If Mubarak is toppled then Israel will be totally isolated in the region," said Alon Liel, a former director-general of the Israeli Foreign Ministry and a former ambassador to Turkey.
 
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-mideast-us-20110128,0,3524081.story

With demonstrations intensifying across the Mideast, Obama administration officials are debating how quickly to push Arab allies toward reforms that could stabilize their governments — or usher in new leaders less friendly to the United States.

Administration officials hold differing views on how far these governments should go in granting concessions to demonstrators who may prefer regime change to gradual improvements, officials say.

The U.S. approach has been to stand by its allies and support "reform, but evolutionary reform," said an official familiar with the internal debate. The question now is "do we favor changes that are quicker, but maybe a lot riskier?" said one official, who spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the matter.


 
It's what they've been doing since the end of last year - they'll have plans for all kinds of possible outcomes and what it means for them and how to achieve the favoured one.
 
There are more reports of gangs of lumpen thugs being unleashed to attack demonstrators.

Currently, we're being told that large numbers of plainsclothes police officers and security officers are going through the streets covering parked cars with gasoline. The activists expect that the govt plans to light all the cars on fire, claim that the protesters were burning everything, and use that as a pretext to use severe violence to repress the protests, and eliminating all means for the people to relay the truth out of the country.

They are being told by sources within the regime that very large groups of govt-organized thugs, calling themselves "ikhwan al-Haq" [a group never heard of, roughly translated as "brotherhood of truth"], are going to be in the streets with knives, swords, etc..., attacking and killing protesters in the streets tomorrow [Friday]; they don't know whether this may be deliberately and falsely leaked to discourage demonstrators; but they do see evidence that these groups are being organized. they may also claim that these violent groups are the demonstrators as a pretext to use violence on the real demonstrators.

And a really chilling audio report here on these gangs
http://audioboo.fm/boos/263649-foreign-matters-civilians-with-truncheons-in-cairo?
 
Text and internet networks down along with access to social media services like Facebook, Twitter and Blackberry. Very worrying :(

This guy is fearless!

egypt-clash-with-police.jpg



http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/27/eg...se-people-reporting-internet-and-sms-shutdown
 
This one is dynamite, by the US ambassador to Egypt Margaret Scobey it says:

Torture and police brutality in Egypt are endemic and
widespread. The police use brutal methods mostly against
common criminals to extract confessions, but also against
demonstrators, certain political prisoners and unfortunate
bystanders. One human rights lawyer told us there is
evidence of torture in Egypt dating back to the times of the
Pharaohs. NGO contacts estimate there are literally hundreds
of torture incidents every day in Cairo police stations
alone.
http://wikileaks.ch/cable/2009/01/09CAIRO79.html
 
Scum Blair shows which side he is on, no surprises:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2011/jan/28/egypt-protests-live-updates#block-9

"As Hillary Clinton was saying yesterday, the important thing is to engage in this process of modernisation, and improving systems of government, but do it in a way that keeps the order and stability of the country together."

Asked if Mubarak should stay in power, Blair said: "Well I think the decisions about how this is done is incredibly difficult. President Mubarak has been in power for 30 years. There's obviously in any event going to be an evolution and a change there. The question is how does that happen in the most stable way possible.

"All over that region there is essentially one issue, which is how do they evolve and modernise, both in terms of their economy, their society and their politics. All I'm saying is that in the case of Egypt and in the case in Yemen, because there are other factors in this, not least those who would use any vacuum in order to ferment extremism, that you do this in what I would call a stable and ordered way ....

"This is not limited to one country in the region. It's all over the region. You have got to take account of the fact that when you unleash this process of reform, unless you are going to be very, very careful about how it's done and how it's staged, then you run risks as well."

Blair said the West should engage with countries like Egypt in the process of change "so that you weren't left with what is actually the most dangerous problem in the Middle East, which is that an elite that has an open minded attitude but it's out of touch with popular opinion, and popular opinion that can often - because it has not been given popular expression in its politics - end up frankly with the wrong idea and a closed idea."

The blood of innocents only worth spilling when it serves 'our' cause eh Blair.
 
¶2. (C) Comment: The government generally allows bloggers
wide latitude in posting material critical of the GOE.
Exceptions to this policy are bloggers who directly insult
President Mubarak or Islam, and the government has arrested
and jailed bloggers who have crossed these red-lines. The
GOE has also arrested activists, such as XXXXXXXXXXXX and
XXXXXXXXXXXX, who have used blogging to organize and support
protests (refs A and C). Activists are increasingly writing
blogs to advance their political aims. Contacts accurately
point out that bloggers have ceased to function as a cohesive
activist movement. It is noteworthy that bloggers did not
play a significant role in the most recent example of mass
cyber-activism -- the April 6, 2008 strike orchestrated
through Facebook
(ref G).
http://wikileaks.ch/cable/2009/03/09CAIRO544.html

And I thought this cyber activism was something new what happened in April 2008 there then ? mass cyber activism ?
 
I used to live in Cairo and one day we had an incident with the army and police that may be of interest. I was living there with my girlfriend of the time and we were walking around Cairo one afternoon and walked past a military barracks.

As we walked past, one of the soldiers at the gate waved and asked for a cigarette and when my girlfriend went to hand him one he grabbed her tit. She was a tough girl and spoke Arabic.(she was dutch) She called him a dog in Arabic and slapped his face. An appropriate response from an Egyptian woman suffering assault and she would have left it there but the soldier raised his hand and smacked her straight in the face.

All this happened in a blink of an eye. Of course I ran over and seeing me the soldier pulled out his gun and pointed it at me, waving his arm in a motion of "go go." Fuck a nice afternoon had suddenly turned into a nightmare and we beat a retreat.

Angry and humiliated my girlfriend was determined to go to the police. So we jumped in a cab and went to the local police station and she made her complaint. After an interminable time filling in forms, the cops (who were grovellingly nice ) put us into a car and drove us to the military barracks to identify the guy who assaulted my girlfriend.

We were sat down in the office of some senior officer or another and given tea while a succession of soldiers were brought in for her to identify . The third or fourth guy to be brought in was the offender and we both immediately pointed to him and identified him as the guy who assaulted her. After a few words between the police guy and the officer we were driven back to the police station and given more tea and a seat and asked to wait. After ten minutes or so the guy was literally dragged in on his knees by his hair and thrown to the ground where he was kicked and punched by every policeman in the station. All right in front of us and oblivious to my girlfriends entreaties to stop. It wasn't particularly "showy" I mean it wasn't like it was done for our benefit. It was the routineness of it that was the most scary thing. It was normal and expected.

So we sat and drank our tea while this miserable guy lay in the dirt at our feet while the police stepped on him and kicked him . They told us what would happen if my girlfriend pressed charges. His head would be shaved and he would sit in remand prison for at least 6 months before the case went to court. If he went to court he would be found guilty and because we were foreigners he could expect a prison sentence of 6 months more. He would serve his time in a military prison.

I had had enough of the brutality in front of us and thankfully (because it was her call) was my girlfriend. She refused to press any charges, figuring this guy getting the shit kicked out of him was punishment enough and we walked out of the police station shaking our heads in bemusement and shock. Egyptian police. Got to love em.
 
Doesn't the UK export torture equipment and arms and the like to Egypt?

Edit: writen in reply to Blair's comments.
 
I thought that the 2pm prayers were the major event?

Now. Cairo is described as a war zone. Alex too. people came under attack the moment prayers ended, People are fighting back.

Al jazeera has updates so does the guardian. Twitter is receiving messages from Cairo too
 
Back
Top Bottom