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I always find the concept of Polish Nazis a bit of a strange one to grasp.

Especially as Hitler's appointed Gaulieter of 'The General Government Area' (as the Nazis termed the occupied part of Poland) said that Poles should "only be educated enough in order to read the road signs, so they don't get run over by our tanks".

Anyone proclaiming to be a fascist and a Polish patriot must be an absolute moron.
Even if Stalin was a bastard to them after Hitler invaded. the other half of Poland handed to them under the Pact and the decimation of their officer corps at Katyn ..Frank(ly)it can only be fcucking bunkers to parade about with Swastika flags....considering what the Nazis did to Poles...not Jews..but untermench Poles...per se. But what has logic got to do with it.
 
The only supporting online evidence i can find of this position is in the form of a .DOC, but i seem to recall that after the Poles expelled their Ethnic German Population at the end of ww2 the state went into massive historical denial both about its occupation and the consequential backlash.

Therefore for the best part of 40+ years in Poland There was no official academic teaching or research published about the German occupation, or the little that was published dismissed as Communist Propaganda.

Whilst personal anecdotal evidence might have lingered,for most poles speaking openly about such wartime activities were discouraged.This vacuum allowed the far right to monopolise and mythologise and Sanitise the third reich.

Bluntly speaking to your average Pole Fascist, the holocaust was something that happened to other people.
 
The best way to counter the rise of Polish fascist groups in Britain would be to form strong links with Polish Antifacist groups. From what i have observed in lincolnshire the more visable and Hardcore racist element are fairly quickly marginalised and ostracised within their own communities and any push should it be needed should come from within.
 
The best way to counter the rise of Polish fascist groups in Britain would be to form strong links with Polish Antifacist groups. From what i have observed in lincolnshire the more visable and Hardcore racist element are fairly quickly marginalised and ostracised within their own communities and any push should it be needed should come from within.

I know a few Polish antifash lads as I do in Serbia who did the No Retreat translation(see below)..very hard core group based around Novi Sad. There is a possibility that the Polish version will be coming out soon(totally bootleg)NR.jpg
 
The only supporting online evidence i can find of this position is in the form of a .DOC, but i seem to recall that after the Poles expelled their Ethnic German Population at the end of ww2 the state went into massive historical denial both about its occupation and the consequential backlash.

Therefore for the best part of 40+ years in Poland There was no official academic teaching or research published about the German occupation, or the little that was published dismissed as Communist Propaganda.

Whilst personal anecdotal evidence might have lingered,for most poles speaking openly about such wartime activities were discouraged.This vacuum allowed the far right to monopolise and mythologise and Sanitise the third reich.

Bluntly speaking to your average Pole Fascist, the holocaust was something that happened to other people.

Too true. the Polish Stalinists of course had a lot to want to "draw a veil" over vis a vis the WWII history of Poland. There have been a whole number of levels of historical denial by Poles about both the nature of the Polish state invaded and divided by the USSR and Nazi Germany , and the deep historical record of vicious anti semitism in Polish culture - encouraged and maintained by the active teaching of the Polish Catholic Church. Pre WWII Poland was essentially a neo-fascist state itself before the German/Soviet invasions, with anti Jewish pogroms quite common. Very little help/sancturay was offered by the general Polish population to either Polish Jews or the other European Jews assembled on Nazi occupied Polish territory for extermination . The same can be said of the non-Jewish populations of France, Holland, Belgium of course, but there are plenty of accounts by Jews of the particular relish that large segments of the Polish people, indoctrinated by a particularly vicious anti semitism for centuries by the Catholic Church, expressed as they watched their fate at Nazi hands.

The Polish Catholic Church was particularly keen to maintain the old Christian lie of the Jewish "blood sacrifice"and the "killers of Christ" slur. Anyone watching the very long ,powerful, but horrifying film about the Holocaust, "Shoah" will have witnessed the ghastly old Polish priest shamelessly continuing to express the ancient old "Blood Libel" fairytale. Long after the war there were actually a few well documented dreadful spontaneous pogroms of quite large numbers of Jews in in which ordinary Polish citizens simply took it upon themselves to murder dozens of local Jews in their towns, for no reason, other than they were Jews. So Fascism and anti semitism itself has deep Polish roots. Given the large numbers of non-Jewish Poles that the German Nazis also exterminated and/or reduced to slavery it is certainly pretty ironic that some Poles , even if they are fascists, persist in adopting some of the symbolism and specific ideology of German Nazism. But then Russian fascists do too - again choosing to remember only the German Nazi exterminations of Jews (enthusiastically aided by local fascists particularly in the Ukraine and the Baltic states of course) , and conveniently forgetting the millions of non-Jewish citizens of the USSR the Nazis also killed. Again, look at the astonishing Hitler worshipping Nazi goostepping madness of the contemporary Golden Dawn Nazis in Greece today ! But then no-one ever suggested Fascism was a rational, coherent, belief system ! It prides itself on NOT being so. FEEL the POWER of all that atavistic irrational hatred !

And some people think you can rationally DEBATE with these crazed psychopaths ! Better to stomp on them till they stop twitching - then you know they've got the point.
 
http://old.squat.net/en/news/poland140103.html

It's an old article but worth a read.

the end of 90s Anti-Fascist movement suffered serious split as many activists turned towards legal methods of fighting, obviously not understanding that police and state will never be on our side. Because of that militant movement in Poland was reduced to just 2 or 3 groups, as many people became disillusioned and lost hope for things to be better. Meanwhile nazis were not sleeping and after brief period of apathy they started attacking again. Bialystok was no exception. People active in anarchist and alternative movement were shocked, but resistance quickly started again. In 2000 Radical Anti-Fascist Action was reformed and started regular activity again. Our rule is "Wherever they go, we go as well". It means that we try to stop nazis in any place they may appear.
 
Because i think there is a very real danger of demonisation it is probably best at this point to stress not all poles were anti Semitic Collaborators.
KP: During the war, the Polish government-in-exile eventually backed Źegota, an official branch of the underground, devoted to saving Jews. Your grandmother, Anna Sokołowska, sheltered several Jews during the war, and she paid for this with her life. It was standard practise for Nazis to shoot entire families of good samaritans.

AS: You see it was very difficult to save one person. These 6000 Polish people recognised by Yad Vashem as the righteous amongst nations – and Poland has the greatest portion of righteous gentiles – they really are heros. Because to hide a person, not for one day, but for weeks, months, even years sometimes, was an incredible achievement. They were like soldiers on the front. Even more so. Because on the front, you have weapons, you have orders, you have leaders. And these people had nobody. They lived under daily threat of death, together with their families. I’m very pleased that the Polish state has recognised these saviours, and given them the rights of veterans. It’s very important.
http://www.krakowpost.com/article/2116
 
i think after the debacle in manchester - infighting at train station, pub and in the pen, schisms and fallouts - that the EDL is over. the leaders aint allowed to go on the demos and many have left it as a bad job. the infidels are leading a rigtward swing but really with such small numbers, the game is over in a lot of peoples minds nationally. locally, antifascists will no doubt organise -sunderland, brighton etc - but the EDL are knacked and the splinter factions tiny.

That might well be the national overview, but up here in the North East they are still a problem. I would be happier if anti fascists could make it to the North East starting on March 30th. The local fascists took a coach to Manchester. Also, theres Newcastle on 25th May which is getting lots of publicity and here's "DEMO ANNOUNCEMENT- BURNLEY On the 22nd June the North West Frontline Firm will be hosting a demonstration to highlight the Islamification of Great Britain and the ever growing problem of mass immigration. Speakers : Paul Pitt (South East Alliance) Tony Curtis (English National Resistance) Jeff Marsh (Casuals United) North West Angel (Edl) Paul Mcginty (North West Frontline Firm) Mickey Bayliss (South West Alliance)".
 
the whole polish fash thing is complicated, there were collaborators and even polish people who fought on the same side as the nazis, as well as, as others have noted, sporadic pogroms of Jews (and probably roma as well) after WWII had finished. However I don't think it can purely be traced back to historical roots, there have been neo-nazi "white power" and fascist movements developing in Serbia (where while there were a few limited instances of collaboration jews and serbs were given the same treatment on a systematic basis by the Ustashe, even the right-wing serbian organisation fought the nazis, and Hitler disliked the serbs due to their role in starting world war I) and in Israel - actual neo-nazism as well, not "just" fascism.

don't think it's a simple as "stupid people". it never is. i'd probably say that a lot of the rise of this type of stuff in seemingly anachronistic places is due to the failure and the delegitimisation of the state ideology under and then following the USSR, which came to be regarded by many as not only a repressive and brutal regime but also a foreign occupation as well. It's also easy for things like historical revisionism to take hold because of the whole idea of the USSR leading this "glorious struggle" against fascism which was heavily promoted as a state ideology, following its collapse nationalist politicians have capitalised on the fact that this is often completely delegitimised.

And of course those same politicians have been shown to be completely corrupt, self-serving etc and unfortunately "the left" provides no answers and itself is often pretty nationalistic, only towards russia
 
I understand that nationally the edl are fucked, but my daughter keeps telling me that there appears to be a recruitment drive going on . A number of her friends have declared that hey have joined the edl in recent days( this has led her to have massive rows and bust ups), this is in reading, which, up to now has had no real edl presence at all.
Purely anecdotal, and may signify nothing at all.
Apparently, there is a social club down near the old bus station, which has .become a haunt for them.
 
as far as the EDL is concerned tommy got out to find kkkev had run it into the ground and the cambirdge demo of 20 was embarassing. manchester got 350 but from all different groups. there are many factions. SDL are tiny and BNP/NF, NEI and NPF (exNF) in the NE ate pretty active, NWI and the newly made up NWFF are the same thing. CXF irrelevant. you have the EVF, ENA and SEA in midlands and SE who are active but small. the casuals are fuck all. there are a couple of 'rogue' EDL groups who will stand with the various groupuscules. EDL have lost a lot of cred and have achieved nothing so apart from a few 'chav scrotes' most have walked away as it is boring now . As a political entity EDL is over but the other groups have swung more rightwards and are openly racist. where abouts is yr daughter speaking of?
 
The little fella has been lifted by plod.... again

Tommy Robinson EDL @EDLTrobinson 58s
After days of death threats on twitter gangs of Muslims targeted my family. What did the police do? Arrest us? Bedfordshire police ???????


'Support' group claim he was attacked by a hoard of armed muslamics and got himself arrested
 
Tommy Robinson EDL @EDLTrobinson 44s
I've just been released after 30 hours in custody! Armed Muslim gang come to my family's house , trouble breaks out, only 3 arrested are us!
 
Anyone know anything about Oxford EDL Demo.
Apparentely there trying to build up support after recent trials involving Pakistani men and prostitution of under age girls.
The people who would be interested in supporting this put on some sort of a show at the last Cowley Road festival after confrontation (storm in a teacup)between Afro Carribean and Asian youth. But they got penned in The Corridor Pub in Cowley Road.

Anyone heard of them being involved in any activity possibly on 4th May?
http://englishdefenceleague.org/divisions/viewgroup/84-oxford
 
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