butchersapron
Bring back hanging
They can't. It gives them some local/internal political space.
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It's an anti fascist blog. Wouldn't really fit with the editorial to praise them, 'ey?
Ermmm so rather than giving a candid political analysis which has some use to those interested in the far-right you'd rather just say everything they do is shit every time?
The far-right and the wet-lettuce lefties have a habit of that.
I'm just asking for the left to actual give a truthful analysis.
I don't think the blog claims to give analysis? It's a humorous look at events.
Here's my analysis though: the EDL isn't a political party, Kevin wasn't an 'EDL candidate', so I'm unsure why you think it's an 'inta-slag' of the EDL. Not being particularly truthful there yourself, either.
Let's wait to see how he gets on in an election with more than 12% turnout before making any predictions.
This whole PCC election has been a farce, and probabaly represents the best opportunity in a generation for a far-right protest candidates to make gains. If this is the best they can do, in the most most favourable electoral circumstances they're ever likely to get, I wouldn't expect to much out of them in the future.
This whole PCC election has been a farce, and probabaly represents the best opportunity in a generation for a far-right protest candidates to make gains. If this is the best they can do, in the most most favourable electoral circumstances they're ever likely to get, I wouldn't expect to much out of them in the future.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
He'll get fucking nowhere - that's not the point. The point is they put whatever it was on with - as you were all crowing - no help, getting caught up in some rubbish and so on - what does that say about the potential vote that's out there?
And no, the pcc elections did "not represents the best opportunity in a generation for a far-right protest candidates to make gains" (the cry election after election) - the euro-2008 ones did, and they did.
I don't dispute there's potential out there. It's there, I just don't think British Freedom will be the ones to harness it.
You misquoted me I said "probably represents the best opportunity in a generation for a far-right protest candidates to make gains." The Euro elections in 2008 and this one are the leading contenders in my opinon.
That one due to disillusionment with decades worth of Labour and a BNP that was making solid gains. This one on account of an incredibly low (unprecidented) turnout and the election being ostensibly based around Law and Order issues which you would suspect makes the situation favourable to right-wing independents and protest votes (such as the Zero Tolerance candidate beating that Tory in Surrey wasn't it?)
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
No one said they would - and that's not a misquote really as adding the word in makes it mean what i said.
This one is nothing compared to the euro 2008, because a) it's not a national election and b) there were no far-right candidates for people to vote for. The far-right are in electoral decline for sure, but make the comparison slightly apt eh?
This one is nothing compared to the euro 2008, because a) it's not a national election and b) there were no far-right candidates for people to vote for. The far-right are in electoral decline for sure, but make the comparison slightly apt eh?
I thought a 'protest vote' were votes by people who don't normally vote that way ie - Tory voters voting far right because the Conservative party have pissed them off in some way and they want to nudge them slightly to the right. Ergo, a 'protest vote' by far right voters wouldn't be to vote for a far right candidate.
I think it does, unfortunately. It seems to be trying to give political analysis with a humorous edge, Class War style.
Here's my analysis though: the EDL isn't a political party, Kevin wasn't an 'EDL candidate', so I'm unsure why you think it's an 'inta-slag' of the EDL. Not being particularly truthful there yourself, either.
The EDL and the BFP are hardly two totally autonomous organisations are they. And I could have exchanged EDL with far-right or fash or whatever label, hardly a call for being a pedant.
And what good does a joke about the BFP/EDL doing shit do anyway?
i guess you don't really know what analysis is then which, in that light, makes it odd that you're demanding it.
you followed up your complaint about lack of analysis (about a blog that isn't giving any) with innacuracies of your own. Not a really sound starting block is it?
I guess the 'good' a joke about the BFP/EDL does is equatable with pissing and moaning about it on some niche bulletin board.
Malatesta blog reads to me like a slightly dotty Scottish teacher making fun of constantly marking down the class clown. Of course it's predictable what will be said. Humour works that way. It panders to people's prejudices like the mainstream media does. You're attacking it for something it doesn't claim to do. Where's your hard hitting analysis then?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Being a bit aggressive here c66.
I half suspect it's a glove puppet of yours for some reason!
Fair dos, sorry for aggression etc. as you were.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
8000 votes in a "county" election of nondiscript nature and by a candidate who actually canvassed against himself by being an ugly lying merchandising thuggish cunt, is not something to be ignored. I would say that the vote was more due to Kevin "the gerbil" Carrolls EDL contacts/infamy than for the nazi fucks he's running with now. 8000 for them constitutes a successful mobilization. No wonder they see it as something big.
There's obviously a big difference between what they can field on the streets and what they can obtain in a confusing election without a large campaign budget.
Yes, wet lettuce lefties can be as complacent as they like.
There's obviously a big difference between what they can field on the streets and what they can obtain in a confusing election without a large campaign budget.
Yes, wet lettuce lefties can be as complacent as they like.
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
propaganda never did anyone any harm tho eh chaps? we are not a news service but 'political/satirical cunch of bunts.'
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
Not to be deterred by yesterday's massive intelligence fuck up, CxF issue another statement
incredible. they really have lost the plot havent they?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
couldn't be more wrong a) unless there is a local issue for the far right to really exploit then everything goes back to voting Labour mainly to over the benefit cuts b) the far right were better organised and more politically savvy under New labour and made the best gains ever for the far right in that period c) the PPC elections in themselves would not necessarily be a good election culture for the far right even though all mainstream parties agree with the £6k deposit to deter them.
I agree with you that although the 10% for BF was a good vote that they haven't the politics to actually build on it.
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
yeah i get the feeling the vote will be focussed in a small area where EDL came from and spread much thinly 'cross the 'shire!
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
C66 almost completely wrong! but i think an extremely fair analysis of the blog. its reporting what we have found out, mixed with humour and some complete lies. we think its pretty obvious that its not meant to be objective. we hate the fash! why give them an objective slant. now, i must go and mark some essays on the semiotics of the broons!
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
this has made my day! thanks, it really made me laugh! cheers! (and not being sarky either).
Turboprop
I am become death
I like keeping a watch on what the cerebrally challenged members of the edl are doing, probably out of morbid curiosity.
In this case I am supporting 'We Are Norwich' for their stance against leaflets promoting racial hatred
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
blimey billyboy seems a bit lonely. perhaps he shd join up with the equally lonely and reviled jeffrey marshbubbles from cagoules united.
Brixton Hatter
Home is south London mate
Micky Bayliss, Bristol EDL - the guy who said ""The last thing we want to do as an organisation is cause any trouble", has been arrested for graffitting mosques & sikh temples
http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/EDL-...fiti-attacks/story-17362146-detail/story.html
http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/EDL-...fiti-attacks/story-17362146-detail/story.html
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
Wonder how this went down with the EDL's "Sikh Division"? Or maybe his grafs were welcoming and anti-racist?
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
how old are these guys? pigs heads and kryptonite bacon on mosques? grafitti? allah is a pedo? middle aged blocks rucking with plod. the whole EDL thing smacks of reliving past hooligan glories. which were pretty shit 1st time round. fucking grow up.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
I always used to think the whole Luton/MIGs turning into the EDL thing really just came from years of them having to listen to other firms chanting "you're just a town full of pakis" at them meaning they had to prove themselves to be proper hardcore white. It's a real leftover from another era in that sense.
1970s fash re-enactment society. Wonder when turd will start going through letter boxes and crank calls to pascifist women start up again.
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
we did some stuff on this on the blog about the ageing hooligans now using EDL etc as an excuse for piss up and a ruck, with either asian community, left or plod. the sentencing following the disastrous headhunters/ICF trials remain in place so 'politics' gives em space to re-enact the 1980s without getting major sentences. the whole thing stinks of too much lager and jingoism.
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