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love detective said:
as i'm sure you'll appreciate, the nature of the environment meant that there was never going to be written contracts surrounding the movement of information & material between these kind of parties



Not true. As has been mentioned, the photos had been used in numerous publications over a period of 20 years without any complaint from the photographer, there was a de facto right (or at the very minimum a very good reason to assume the right ) to use them that had been established by precedent over the previous two decades. These photos had not been published or used by any other person or organisation other than AFA, there had never been any complaint from either Searchlight or Hoffman as to their usage (many of which had appeared on the front cover of magazines and pamphlets), and while they could claim, as they do, that they were not aware of them being used, this seems highly dubious given that both were 'active' in various (dubious) ways in anti-fascism in London at the time.



As per above, there was no confusion between physical possession and permission to reproduce - the permission to reproduce had been established by the actual reproduction of them throughout a twenty year period earlier
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It might have to do with the shite being layed onto Searchlight and a bit of payback...make no mistake I totally disagree with Hoffman doing what he did. Its wrong on many fronts and I would have been ashamed. Not that people who earn a living dont need to be respected and thus their work valued but I dont think this came near. I took many a picture/video/recording over the years and the world can have them if it goes furthering the cause. I took the first ever film footage of C18 on the streets/took some exclusive footage in Sweden many years ago which has featured on numerous doccas and news items over the years. I must admit I wasnt ever a full timer more of an activist/reseracher on a bit of exe's but my motivation was to damage the fash using whatever gadgets were necessary!!!. Some may say different ( state asset and all that bollox)(yawn)but i dont care about that. Ive probably got one of the most comprehensive private anti fascist archives in the UK but cant even begin to work out how much stuff Ive given/borrowed/passed on to people/activists for fuck all. Thats what its about.
 
got to agree with this
I took many a picture/video/recording over the years and the world can have them if it goes furthering the cause.

no copyright in the struggle against the fash!
 
whining fucking maggots. they threw stuff at me wah wah wah... we organised a provocative march and people were provoked and angry wah wah wah. eejits.
 
Greetings al!

Firstly, I apologise to all who know me for not posting for so long. This wasn't a flounce or anything like that. The truth is much, much more prosaic; U75's been banned at work. briefly, management realised my productivity had drpped, checked my PC, caught me posting, got the raging hump, an banned U75 via the WebFilter. Gr...next the buggers will actually make me work hard.

However, i felt I had to com on here and post my report on saturday's fun and games in walthamstow. I was there for the whole thing, and the truth is, we handed the EDL's arses to them on a plate!! It is very rare you get the chance to wipe the floor with the enemy, but we did. All they managed to do was march 1/3 way along Forest Rd, by which time we'd TOTALLY taken out Bell Corner and occupied the road with a sitdown occupation. To give an idea of numbers; 3,000-4,000 at the rally, march and at Bell Corner (the essential crosroads on the way to the Waltham Forest town Hall complex) about a 1000 later at the Town Hall. And 200 EDL TOPS.
We didn't manage to stop Robinson speaking, but our action reduced their proposed rally to an utter limp dick of an event (I will exand subsequently).

What we did do was make it utterly inconceivable they would get to march all the way dwn Forest Rd to the Town Hall - there was simply too many of us. So Tommy's Big Bwave Fascists had to be led round the back streets by the plod, like chastised schoolboys. The majority of them were than kettled on those backstreets by OB, so only abut 15-20 got into the Town hall area. meanwhile, WE were being kettled, and then found out about their backstreets ramble.

After pleading with the OB to let us through, and hitting them with a few good chants about protecting the EDL, we decided "two can play at that game", went up the hill, round another set of back streets, and down onto Forest Rd, opposite the Town Hall, just in time to catch Robinson bellowing inanities into the megaphone like a bullfrog with gastroenteritis, and cowering behind a massive police presence. And Just a handful of EDL scum standing around, looking fed-up, whilst they were soon subjected to a hail of placard-sticks, eggs and bottles.

Thanks to the OB and the council, we couldn't stop Robinson speaking, but we - aided by that police kettle - reduced the event to a farce, and just as importantly we protected this very multiracial community from their hooliganism and violence.

This was an utter disaster for them, and to cap it all Robinson and his sidekick Kevin Carroll had a right old barney.
A truly, truly geat day, a thumping victory for antifascism, and I am so proud I was there.
 
Streathamite said:
Greetings al!

Firstly, I apologise to all who know me for not posting for so long. This wasn't a flounce or anything like that. The truth is much, much more prosaic; U75's been banned at work. briefly, management realised my productivity had drpped, checked my PC, caught me posting, got the raging hump, an banned U75 via the WebFilter. Gr...next the buggers will actually make me work hard.

However, i felt I had to com on here and post my report on saturday's fun and games in walthamstow. I was there for the whole thing, and the truth is, we handed the EDL's arses to them on a plate!! It is very rare you get the chance to wipe the floor with the enemy, but we did. All they managed to do was march 1/3 way along Forest Rd, by which time we'd TOTALLY taken out Bell Corner and occupied the road with a sitdown occupation. To give an idea of numbers; 3,000-4,000 at the rally, march and at Bell Corner (the essential crosroads on the way to the Waltham Forest town Hall complex) about a 1000 later at the Town Hall. And 200 EDL TOPS.
We didn't manage to stop Robinson speaking, but our action reduced their proposed rally to an utter limp dick of an event (I will exand subsequently).

What we did do was make it utterly inconceivable they would get to march all the way dwn Forest Rd to the Town Hall - there was simply too many of us. So Tommy's Big Bwave Fascists had to be led round the back streets by the plod, like chastised schoolboys. The majority of them were than kettled on those backstreets by OB, so only abut 15-20 got into the Town hall area. meanwhile, WE were being kettled, and then found out about their backstreets ramble.

After pleading with the OB to let us through, and hitting them with a few good chants about protecting the EDL, we decided "two can play at that game", went up the hill, round another set of back streets, and down onto Forest Rd, opposite the Town Hall, just in time to catch Robinson bellowing inanities into the megaphone like a bullfrog with gastroenteritis, and cowering behind a massive police presence. And Just a handful of EDL scum standing around, looking fed-up, whilst they were soon subjected to a hail of placard-sticks, eggs and bottles.

Thanks to the OB and the council, we couldn't stop Robinson speaking, but we - aided by that police kettle - reduced the event to a farce, and just as importantly we protected this very multiracial community from their hooliganism and violence.

This was an utter disaster for them, and to cap it all Robinson and his sidekick Kevin Carroll had a right old barney.
A truly, truly geat day, a thumping victory for antifascism, and I am so proud I was there.
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i thought you'd lost your password :(
 
One final thing - thought I'd give you a flavour of the chants/songs:
What shalll we do with the EE DEE EE-ELL?
What shalll we do with the EE DEE EE-ELL?
What shalll we do with the EE DEE EE-ELL?
ear-ly in the morning

String em up like mussolini!
String em up like mussolini!
String em up like mussolini!
EAR-LY IN THE MORNING!

and "follow your eader - shoot yourself like Adolf Hitler"
oh happy days....
 
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