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taffboy gwyrdd said:
up a bit late, but up

http://www.edlnews.co.uk/index.php/...mming-in-same-cesspool-as-a-mass-killer-again

Can't link and prob wouldn't, but on the BFP facebook page 'The Real English Defence League' have kept up some polite prodding on the Kev money stuff.

Elsewise there's just been dribble on a Norwich anti page. We are down to almost meaningless numbers of folk who may not be very well. Seen murmers that it should end from seeming stalwarts. Will the laughter die down and some new menace emerge?
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taff, wonder how this relates to the thread on griffin and edl run by the 'joos' on the other thread.
http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/what-now-for-the-bnp.287021/page-25#post-11463024
they cant manage more than a couple of hundred at a national demo, the flash demos are all they have left. what next for them?
 
Why do they say "the woman who is seeking shelter from a violent ex partner and her young daughter"? Have i missed something in those shots?
 
joyce said:
i live near hebden bridge it`s a peaceful town, and some of us wish to keep it that way, last thing we need is confrontations of this nature,Hebden is a brilliant place and a tolerant area, and we have an art scene, we do not want it turned into a war zone, if people don`t agree on politics then surely they should present themselves in a civil manner rather than fighting in the streets, the lower calder valley has much scenic beauty, including the craggs and the canal walk, which has attracted tourists to the area, scenes of people fighting in the streets can only cause damage to the region
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Joyce, with the best of intentions, these people aren't going to just disappear y'know. You're gonna have to deal with it instead of just wringing your hands and hoping they'll go somewhere scruffy like halifax instead.

I know the history of Hebden Bridge very well, and I know a lot of people who grew up there in the 70's and 80's and got forced out by the wealthy incomers buying up all the houses and turning it into an incestuous gentrified little bubble. I remember when they chopped down a valley of pristine woodland, that had been used for centuries by people in the village, to build a load of "eco-homes" for wealthy people from the south-east. If I had a pound for every time I saw some millionaire stockbroker, who's burnt out at 35 and decided to get a big house in the country, swanning about Hebden like they own the place, I'd be rich enough to live there myself. Frankly, the vast bulk of the people I know from Hebden are wealthy and couldn't care less what happens outside their little valley.

I also resent this notion that Hebden was some culturally bereft backwater that was colonised by those kind helpful middle-class people, because even though it was a grim place to live (still is imo) they had a very strong culture, except it was a working class culture, not a middle-class art galleries and new ages shops.

It's an awful place to live anyway. You're trapped in a valley in the pennines, it rains 300 days of the year at least, you never see the bloody sun, you can't go to the shop or to the pub without having to walk up some everest-like ridiculous hill. Frankly if you've not got a car, you're totally trapped, if you're not fit enough to walk hills or mountain bike you're trapped, in general it's like being in the most pristine and beautiful prison in the world.
 
malatesta32 said:
taff, wonder how this relates to the thread on griffin and edl run by the 'joos' on the other thread.
http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/what-now-for-the-bnp.287021/page-25#post-11463024
they cant manage more than a couple of hundred at a national demo, the flash demos are all they have left. what next for them?
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What next? I dunno who currently has access to the U75 crystal ball and tarot deck but I think there are 2 ways to pull that really do not sit as well together as they might.

1 is "anti jihad" which really needn't be racist and bigoted but just happens to be. This is seen as global, and kind of is. But broken down to national levels for organising reasons (and stuff like language) it falls prey to far rightists.

The other is general neo fascism, posturing inevitably as "post fascist".

How that manifests in this country is hard to say. I think the EDL and post EDL rabbles will stagger along a while yet. They are too wrapped up in their own deeds and 'thoughts' to see it's a dead end.

Likewise the different small parties (even the BNP are back to "small" from a while at medium size) will continue without much progress.

For systemic and possibly cultural / other reasons they don't do as well as European counterparts.

So the cliche, but probably well founded answer could be to watch UKIP.

Butchers ripped me a lot before the last Euros for stating a preference for UKIP votes over the BNP. I have shifted, though perhaps not to his view - There is nothing inherent in the desire to leave the EU that requires any kind of bigotry and I have no reason to think there are plenty of UKIP members and supporters who aint racist.

Even on migration they are less hypocritical than Labour and tories, who spout they will "deal" with it while most migration is within the EU and they can't or won't (we'll see what Bumface comes up with in terms of re negotiating. It may be an increasingly necessary card for him to play as other things continue downhill)

So I do not join with some in denouncing UKIP as bigots per se. I look for evidence to cite, and it usually doesn't take long. Then look to how it is dealt with (It took quite a bit of noise from antis before the odious Gandy was hoofed)

UKIP have ££££ and growing support. But Party politics is on it's arse in participation terms - they have scant structure, especially in the north I suspect.

If/when racists see UKIP as the least worst vehicle for their purpose do UKIP rank/file and low level managers (presumably amateurs) have the political brains to recognise it or the will to deal with it?

My guess is generally "no". There needs to be more systemic monitoring and challenging, just as there has been superb such work on BNP / EDL.
 
'I think the EDL and post EDL rabbles will stagger along a while yet. They are too wrapped up in their own deeds and 'thoughts' to see it's a dead end.'
yeah that about sums em up taff! they are convinced they are 'doing summat.' like at hebden. it always was a piss up really!C
 
Delroy Booth said:
Joyce, with the best of intentions, these people aren't going to just disappear y'know. You're gonna have to deal with it instead of just wringing your hands and hoping they'll go somewhere scruffy like halifax instead.

I know the history of Hebden Bridge very well, and I know a lot of people who grew up there in the 70's and 80's and got forced out by the wealthy incomers buying up all the houses and turning it into an incestuous gentrified little bubble. I remember when they chopped down a valley of pristine woodland, that had been used for centuries by people in the village, to build a load of "eco-homes" for wealthy people from the south-east. If I had a pound for every time I saw some millionaire stockbroker, who's burnt out at 35 and decided to get a big house in the country, swanning about Hebden like they own the place, I'd be rich enough to live there myself. Frankly, the vast bulk of the people I know from Hebden are wealthy and couldn't care less what happens outside their little valley.

I also resent this notion that Hebden was some culturally bereft backwater that was colonised by those kind helpful middle-class people, because even though it was a grim place to live (still is imo) they had a very strong culture, except it was a working class culture, not a middle-class art galleries and new ages shops.

It's an awful place to live anyway. You're trapped in a valley in the pennines, it rains 300 days of the year at least, you never see the bloody sun, you can't go to the shop or to the pub without having to walk up some everest-like ridiculous hill. Frankly if you've not got a car, you're totally trapped, if you're not fit enough to walk hills or mountain bike you're trapped, in general it's like being in the most pristine and beautiful prison in the world.
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"This message was brought to you by the Kirklees Tourist Board"
 
TBF it's all much of a muchness to us down here in the civilised South :cool:

Oh, but thanks for taking our overprivileged downsizers off our hands, though
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malatesta32 said:
'I think the EDL and post EDL rabbles will stagger along a while yet. They are too wrapped up in their own deeds and 'thoughts' to see it's a dead end.'
yeah that about sums em up taff! they are convinced they are 'doing summat.' like at hebden. it always was a piss up really!C
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The Hebden thing sounded dismal. But they can't seem to distinguish it from something more akin to the Munich Putsch (sorry... NOT fascists, still less nazis) I still find such reality/mental gaps compelling.

Only just got going on the Collins book, he's det in describing it.

Butchers - 'where?' I can understand if you don't care to look, but there's barley a tweet, post or media mention that aint been logged and put up somewhere by someone, mostly autonomous but co operative in collation very often.
 
taffboy gwyrdd said:
Butchers - 'where?' I can understand if you don't care to look, but there's barley a tweet, post or media mention that aint been logged and put up somewhere by someone, mostly autonomous but co operative in collation very often.
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My guess is generally "no". There needs to be more systemic monitoring and challenging, just as there has been superb such work on BNP / EDL.
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Where?
 
joyce said:
there are local art galleries, the council in the local council offices display art work by local painters, I am not aware of art being displayed in local pubs, but previously some pub owners have displayed paintings, Halifax square chapel has a theatre scene for artists, there are plenty places in calderdale for artists,
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The fella with a the Leeds top on is an artist.
 
Coupla years back, the edl came to reading to leaflet, in preparation for their demo here. About 15 or so dominating the town centre for a couple of hours until the pubs opened.
This Saturday during the festival the edl were back. Two of them, one old fascist, and a somewhat gimpy kid, I was under strict orders from the better half, and wasn't able to debate with them, but they were being very popular, at least people were queuing up to 'chat'.
 
Can someone tell me please what is so fascinating about watching the edl? I haven't really time to read the 300+ pages and it seems like they dont do very much anyway.

Thanks,

JV
 
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