EDL watch
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gawkrodger
Well-Known Member
the eejits still planning on coming to Brum in a few weeks?
BigTom
Well-Known Member
as far as we know, yes.
I still expect them not to show.
UAF counter demo meeting point is by Waterstones/Bull Ring, at 12 I think.. I can't find their facebook event, I can find the Islamic Resistance one:
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=196295973715351
Which just says city centre for obvious reasons..
I still expect them not to show.
UAF counter demo meeting point is by Waterstones/Bull Ring, at 12 I think.. I can't find their facebook event, I can find the Islamic Resistance one:
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=196295973715351
Which just says city centre for obvious reasons..
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
2007 - Interview with Aeneas Lavinium (aka Chris Knowles) of Center for Vigilant Freedom (now called International Civil Liberties Alliance) - a project of Frank Gaffney's Center for Security Policy. Christine Brim runs CVF/ICLA in the US/non-EU and Chris Knowles runs the CVF/ICLA EU countries. Aeneas has been instrumental in providing the storehouse of media & visuals which feeds and supports the EDL, and arranged for the EDL to visit Berlin, Amsterdam, liaison with Bloc Identitaire. He has also spoken about the astrotufing of the EDL at CVF Counterjihad Europa conferences. The CVF (ICLA) continue to support the EDL and have been outreaching to BNP/BNP reform, UKIP and British Freedom.
This radio interview is very telling - discusses fomenting of Paris-style riots in Britain on the street by inflammatory anti-Muslim acts.
Part one: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6f2_13185174262007
This radio interview is very telling - discusses fomenting of Paris-style riots in Britain on the street by inflammatory anti-Muslim acts.
Part one: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6f2_13185174262007
john x
Well-Known Member
The partner of one of the Durham 2, Steven Vesey has not exactly helped her bloke's appeal. lol
http://www.twitpic.com/6zvgvn/full
john x
http://www.twitpic.com/6zvgvn/full
john x
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
it's like the idiot-factor, not the x-factor.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
so you approve of redwatch then?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Mathew Collins tells a very interesting story about Biggs and the BNP canvassing when Beacon was elected. He described Biggs as a homeless alcoholic who was put in a suit and sent canvassing. Precisely because no other parties canvassed the same area Biggs was virtually welcomed with open arms by some residents who simply had no contact with any other political party.
Fingers
From Tuscany SE22
Poor old Tommy had his appeal heard today and the judge told him to fuck right off.
He is looking at
150 hours community service
1 year supervision order
3 year footy banning order
That is not all of his woes, he is due for sentence before Preston crown court in a couple of weeks for nutting the ex soldier geezer who was a case of mistaken identity when it all kicked off and they were all that coked up no one knew what the fuck was going on.
The smart money is that Tommy will fall victim to the 'two tier' system where EDL members act like cunts, get racist and get banged up and Ahmed from the Stella shop doesn't act like a cunt and doesn't get banged up.
12-18 months i reckon.
He is looking at
150 hours community service
1 year supervision order
3 year footy banning order
That is not all of his woes, he is due for sentence before Preston crown court in a couple of weeks for nutting the ex soldier geezer who was a case of mistaken identity when it all kicked off and they were all that coked up no one knew what the fuck was going on.
The smart money is that Tommy will fall victim to the 'two tier' system where EDL members act like cunts, get racist and get banged up and Ahmed from the Stella shop doesn't act like a cunt and doesn't get banged up.
12-18 months i reckon.
MellySingsDoom
Decimated by the shrapnel of his rhetoric
Yeah, that's definitely Gluebag himself. Wonder if he's still touting his fellow "nationalists" to Plod, in return for them turning a blind eye to his low-level drug dealing activities? And is he really repsonsble for the "return" of Redwatch, or would that be (as I suspect) under the auspices of Simon "thank heavens for underage girls" Sheppard?
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
I link to a well-known, well-respected, longtime social issues photographer, you think somehow this is equivalent to condoning Redwatch?
Does Hoffman publish protestors' addresses (regardless of political stance) and openly encourage violence against them? Does he fuck
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
Could Brum be Tommy's Last Stand?we can but hope
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
has someone else used your login to make you look daft? i think we should be told.
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
rodger:
'EDL in brum 29th apparently the last big un of the year. so that shd be quite small then.
newcastle anti-islamaphobia do in newcastle 29th and i think the NEI are intending to make a wee show. Infidels also promising a do in north east on 12/11 somewhere. NF will no doubt attempt to assemble its dosshouse dwellers, off licence window shoppers and y front strumming perverts for something on remembrance day. if they can actually remember!'
Corax
Luke 5:16
Yeah but apart from the differences it's exactly the same.I link to a well-known, well-respected, longtime social issues photographer, you think somehow this is equivalent to condoning Redwatch?
Does Hoffman publish protestors' addresses (regardless of political stance) and openly encourage violence against them? Does he fuck
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
The Occupy! Movement has pissed all over EDL. In less than one month, Occupy! has not only become more popular than the 2.5 year-old Tea Party, it's also GONE GLOBAL, pulling millions of ordinary yet extraordinarily annoyed citizens out onto the streets.
Corax
Luke 5:16
Two tier system innit.
cantsin
Well-Known Member
whaaaat ?
cantsin
Well-Known Member
that image of Joe Pearce behind Chubby H,( early 80's Chelsea NF photo ,) has always caught my eye, with the wedge and black polo neck, surrounded by skins, at the front/in the middle of of it all, but very much separate at the same time.
not that surprised that he drifted off into wierdy catholic pseudo-intellectual shit, even if it is a long way from Bulldog on the surface - looking alright for his age mind you....
http://www.ignatiusinsight.com/authors/josephpearce.asp
john x
Well-Known Member
Less than 100 turned up!
If you look at what is going on behind the scenes in the EDL, all is not well. In the north they are haemorraging individual members, and in some cases whole divisions to the NWI. Most of the Scottish Defence League is completely tied to Ulster Loyalism so includes a number of proper old-school nazis. So while they pay lip service to supporting the EDL, they mobilise more people to Infidels 'activities'. Also within the SDL there are Scottish 'nationalists' who are seen as traitors by the Loyalist element who see anything which threatens the union or the crown as beyond the pale (if you pardon the expression!) There are individuals within the SDL who would probably kill each other if they actually met in real life. Their facebook pages are full of threats of violence to each other and much discussion of Celtic v Rangers. There are growing elements in the EDL who want to push the SDL to choose one way or another. This has been precipitated by certain members of both the SDL and NWI publically slagging off Tommy Robinson.
The piss-poor attendance at recent rallies has started to expose divisions between the 'multicultural pro-Zionist' EDL and the old school nazis. The fascist element have toed the 'non racist' line as a means to attracting greater numbers to the organisation (in an almost identical way to their counterparts in the BNP who were promised electoral success if they kept their more overt racism under wraps). But as with the BNP, when that goal hasn't been achieved, a lot of the those told to keep quiet are now seeking more freedom both within the EDL or outside with the Infidels. The Oxford Division have now said they will not march with the EDL after they publically slagged off one of their members for giving a nazi salute. When the EDL were warned off last weeks 'Nationalist' demonstration in Leeds, one of the first responses from a 'wavering' EDL supporter was "Good! At least that means we won't have to march with any fucking Jews!" The Brevik massacre has also helped this split with the less politically aware supporters genuinely shocked to learn of his links with the EDL and even more surprised to hear others openly praising him and what he had done.
The other factor in this, is the growth of the far-right in Europe at the moment. Those who have learned to hide their fascism and nazism of late are relishing jumping on that bandwagon. Last Saturday in Leeds proved that this may be a little premature in the UK!
Meanwhile at EDL Towers the coterie of Tommy fans are engaging in ever more public disagreement. Hel Gower (ex-BNP and C18 groupie) and Roberta Moore will literally come to blows before too long and usually spend hours at each rally just glowering at each other, then slagging one another off on facebook. I think that battle will be resolved once Tommy goes to jail next month. If Moore loses, she will take the EDL name with her as well as a sizeable amount of the cash. A lot of these people really do believe their own publicity and some, like 'Angle' Donna Mortimer, are seriously considering what they shall say when they are invited to appear on Question Time which she sees as both inevitable and imminent.
Unfortunately for them, the more politically 'savvy' supporters are those who came from other far-right organisations like the NF and BNP. With these people going, the EDL is being left in the hands of the less politically experienced supporters who treat the EDL like one big social group many of whom spend a lot of time chatting and posting on facebook but will not do anything out of their own immediate area. These are the people who have provided cannon fodder and some have ended up being arrested, charged and eventually sent to jail. (Danny Parker, Durham 2 etc.) They read about things that they don't really understand, get all wound up and angry, then get pissed up and go out and shout the odds and smash things up and end up going to jail. And there is now a growing number of less celebrated EDL supporters in and out of the courts each week after incidents at rallies and protests who are getting little or no support from the organisation. This hasn't gone unnoticed particularly when their celebrity criminals like Robinson, seem to get all the publicity, petitions, press coverage and above all, money.
These 'social' EDL members are genuinely upset and angry about what they see as imminent 'Islamification' and Sharia courts around the corner. These are the people who really do believe all the Xmas banned, and schoolkids being force-fed halal food stories and that Tommy Robinson was sweating during his Paxman interview because the BBC make-up woman was a Muslim and refused to do him. These are the 'sheeple' of the EDL, desperately looking for some leadership. Although misguided, they do have a strong sense of right and wrong and if Tommy Robinson is exposed for coining it in off the backs of the ordinary supporters they will turn on him and those seen as being in league with him.
The rally in Brum on the 29th. will be a good measure of the state of the organisation. Football isn't a consideration with this rally as they have had marches and rallies before during the season, and attracted 1000's. They are now only attracting 100s. They have already shat off the 'return to Tower Hamlets', possibly because, for all their bravado and macho shouting, they recognise they got away lightly last month and could end up being seriously humiliated if they try it again.
Short of another proven Muslim terrorist attack in the UK, I would not be in the least surprised if the EDL disappeared completely within the next six months. And I predict that most of those involved as anything more than 'facebook likes', will return to having little or no political involvement.
I could be wrong but there you have it for what it's worth.
john x
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
so, apart from the differences i am exactly the same as beyonce. apart from the differences, dickens' 'a tale of two cities' is exactly the same as time out's 2011 film guide. apart from the differences, beethoven's fifth symphony is exactly the same as a banana.
what's your point caller?
Corax
Luke 5:16
Pickmans, Pickmans, Pickmans...
My 'point' was exactly what you've rather laboriously spelled out.
Go sit in the corner and write out "I will consider subtlety as a possibility" one hundred times.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i did consider subtlety as a possibility, ran through your repertoire of posting habits and decided it couldn't possibly be subtlety as i'd believed that beyond you.Pickmans, Pickmans, Pickmans...
My 'point' was exactly what you've rather painfully spelled out.
Go sit in the corner and write out "I will consider subtlety as a possibility" one hundred times.
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
bloody blimey and absolutely spot on john X. brilliant summary. are you 'malatesta' in disguise?
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
re: blackburn from stormfront:
'the police came calling with letters telling us to stay away which we believed to be due to EDL leadership giving our names something we have been informed to be true by a trusted friend that was till recently a trusted organiser in the edl he left of his own accord. He was outraged that a certain northwest organiser had passed a list of peoples names to the police that they didn't want at the demo.'
and
'there is no one in the core of the nwi that have just come out of the woodwork ex footy c18 ex army ect all are vouched for, there is no leadership just people who others respect everything we do is run past us all pretty much'
why are the English defence league so crap at English?
'the police came calling with letters telling us to stay away which we believed to be due to EDL leadership giving our names something we have been informed to be true by a trusted friend that was till recently a trusted organiser in the edl he left of his own accord. He was outraged that a certain northwest organiser had passed a list of peoples names to the police that they didn't want at the demo.'
and
'there is no one in the core of the nwi that have just come out of the woodwork ex footy c18 ex army ect all are vouched for, there is no leadership just people who others respect everything we do is run past us all pretty much'
why are the English defence league so crap at English?
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
We are all 'Malatesta'
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
'i'm malatesta and so's my wife!' etc.
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