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Dune - dir. Denis Villeneuve

Baron Harkonnen is into young boys. Shows how evil he is. This comes across as the kind of early 60s hippy homophobia
I think you are clutching at stuff here tbh. It's made clear in the books that the baron is a colossal pervert in any way imaginable and that to offend is part of his style. I am not convinced Herbert was trying to portray gays as evil.
 
I think you are clutching at stuff here tbh. It's made clear in the books that the baron is a colossal pervert in any way imaginable and that to offend is part of his style. I am not convinced Herbert was trying to portray gays as evil.
This does not make it into the new film and I bet it’s because same sex attraction as a signifier of depravity doesn’t fly in 2021.( Not putting this in spoilers as I hope there aren’t too many people here were looking forward to the Baron getting it on with young boys. )
 
As much as I've been trying to avoid any trailers or spoilers for this, I endured sitting through this when I saw Bond at the flicks over the weekend. The trailer was frenetically edited in a way that I found horribly distracting, and I suspect a massive contrast to Villeneuve's usual grandiose style, but it looked far too "ordinary" at first glance, if that makes any sense. Take out the sand worms and it could have been a fly-on-the-wall documentary about soldiers in the desert.

I'll still be going to see it at the cinema, because if nothing else Villeneuve's films have always delivered on epic eye-candy, but the trailer certainly didn't have me jumping out of my seat. I'll be interested to see whether Crispy gives it the thumbs up or not...

I think it's safe to say that the visual style of Lynch's Dune has become iconic for me at least (I'd seen the 1984 film on TV before I read the books). Never really got the massive amount of adulation for the books TBH,not really my bag; I never really liked Herbert's prose and prefer hard sci-fi to all the mystical bollocks. :shrugs: But when I did read them, the imagery in my head was largely straight from Lynch in a way that didn't happen for any other "film first, book later" experiences I had.

If you can get past the clickbait title, this is probably the kindest take on Lynch's Dune for anyone still on the fence (i.e. no-one) and more-or-less the same as my opinion: a glorious, gorgeous mess of a film that couldn't have been made by anyone else. How much of its majestic incoherence is due to Lynch, the studio, or the source material itself is of course the stuff of Hollywood legend.
 
This does not make it into the new film and I bet it’s because same sex attraction as a signifier of depravity doesn’t fly in 2021.( Not putting this in spoilers as I hope there aren’t too many people here were looking forward to the Baron getting it on with young boys. )
sex with children is still a "tabboo" isnt it? whatever their sex
 
sex with children is still a "tabboo" isnt it? whatever their sex
Last time I checked it was. I didn't read the book, but the "young boy" in the Lynch film was probably in his 20s and "young men" would have been better, though Gramski refers to him as a young boy. Villains being queer is an old trope to also make them appear even more depraved, you'll find it as recently as in Zach Snyder's 300.
 
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Almost finished Dune. On the sexual politics its very much early 60s. Baron Harkonnen is into young boys. Shows how evil he is. This comes across as the kind of early 60s hippy homophobia.

In the novel men are men and women are women. Ying and Yang Hippy stuff runs through it. Not that the women don't have power or influence. It's that they do it in "feminine" way. So partly enlightened.

Though in end its a man Paul who is destined to be the one who can plumb the drug induced depths and transcend this. Which the Bene Gesserit woman only caste have been planning for centuries to produce. Through breeding and genetics. Knowing only a man could be the one.

Load of stuff about race consciousness and human race invigorating itself through this social conflict. Harks back to ideas of oriental decadence. The Imperial society had run its course and the human race needed reinvigorating. Its very top down. Only elite few really understand what is going on. Those with the psychic training.

Given the time it was written in could also be about weakening of human race through post war consumerist society. There was a time pre Thatcher / Reagan where it appeared that the managed post war affluent society was the future.

I'm curious how he's going to make a film of this.
Enjoying a piece of fantasy literature must be a long dead concept to you
 
this is probably the kindest take on Lynch's Dune for anyone still on the fence (i.e. no-one) and more-or-less the same as my opinion: a glorious, gorgeous mess of a film that couldn't have been made by anyone else. How much of its majestic incoherence is due to Lynch, the studio, or the source material itself is of course the stuff of Hollywood legend.
I love this article. And although the long edit is a bit slow in parts, I find all of it believable. I have no trouble buying into every detail. I feel sorry for people who can't do that. They must be some other species. Also, I'm still in love with Lady Jessica. I'm a bit shocked that Paul didn't jump her. If I was the writer I'd add that to the plot. Of course it would be wrong, but how can a man not lose control when she's there? Miss "tell me of your homeworld, usul" is a poor substitute. Hard to believe that she's the fragrant Rachael out of Blade Runner. Her unfortunate bun emphasises her pointy ears. She looks like an elf extra from a lost Lord of the Rings scene set in a Bangkok ladyboy bar.
 
I love this article. And although the long edit is a bit slow in parts, I find all of it believable. I have no trouble buying into every detail. I feel sorry for people who can't do that. They must be some other species. Also, I'm still in love with Lady Jessica. I'm a bit shocked that Paul didn't jump her. If I was the writer I'd add that to the plot. Of course it would be wrong, but how can a man not lose control when she's there? Miss "tell me of your homeworld, usul" is a poor substitute. Hard to believe that she's the fragrant Rachael out of Blade Runner. Her unfortunate bun emphasises her pointy ears. She looks like an elf extra from a lost Lord of the Rings scene set in a Bangkok ladyboy bar.
There is so much wrong with this post, I don't even know where to start. Maybe keep your infamous knob in your pants while posting ?
 
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I love this article. And although the long edit is a bit slow in parts, I find all of it believable. I have no trouble buying into every detail. I feel sorry for people who can't do that. They must be some other species. Also, I'm still in love with Lady Jessica. I'm a bit shocked that Paul didn't jump her. If I was the writer I'd add that to the plot. Of course it would be wrong, but how can a man not lose control when she's there? Miss "tell me of your homeworld, usul" is a poor substitute. Hard to believe that she's the fragrant Rachael out of Blade Runner. Her unfortunate bun emphasises her pointy ears. She looks like an elf extra from a lost Lord of the Rings scene set in a Bangkok ladyboy bar.
This is a Bad Post full of Shit Attitudes and would be best retracted.




Anyway, I like the quote in that article "I love Dune because it feels just as alien as something set 80 centuries in the future should."
 
As much as I've been trying to avoid any trailers or spoilers for this, I endured sitting through this when I saw Bond at the flicks over the weekend. The trailer was frenetically edited in a way that I found horribly distracting, and I suspect a massive contrast to Villeneuve's usual grandiose style, but it looked far too "ordinary" at first glance, if that makes any sense. Take out the sand worms and it could have been a fly-on-the-wall documentary about soldiers in the desert.

I'll still be going to see it at the cinema, because if nothing else Villeneuve's films have always delivered on epic eye-candy, but the trailer certainly didn't have me jumping out of my seat. I'll be interested to see whether Crispy gives it the thumbs up or not...

I think it's safe to say that the visual style of Lynch's Dune has become iconic for me at least (I'd seen the 1984 film on TV before I read the books). Never really got the massive amount of adulation for the books TBH,not really my bag; I never really liked Herbert's prose and prefer hard sci-fi to all the mystical bollocks. :shrugs: But when I did read them, the imagery in my head was largely straight from Lynch in a way that didn't happen for any other "film first, book later" experiences I had.

If you can get past the clickbait title, this is probably the kindest take on Lynch's Dune for anyone still on the fence (i.e. no-one) and more-or-less the same as my opinion: a glorious, gorgeous mess of a film that couldn't have been made by anyone else. How much of its majestic incoherence is due to Lynch, the studio, or the source material itself is of course the stuff of Hollywood legend.
Your take is a far from a minority take on Lynch's film, as it's been reevaluated a while ago. I find that article a little glib, all I learned from it is that the author liked the film because it's weird and cool or something, well that's David Lynch for you. A quick google produced almost nothing but kind or sympathetic takes on the film, some even give some context as to why in terms of storytelling the film is a bit of a mess:

 
Q for those who've seen it:
Should I be sober or stoned when I go on Thursday?

Was thinking that myself.

Now I finished the novel one of the nice touches to it is that interstellar space travel depends on spaced out drug addict pilots.

All very sixties. I did warm to Frank Herbert when I got to this.

One theme in the novel imo is drug use as part of normal society. The argument is about the right use it.I don't think Frank Herbert meant this to be contentious. But considering right wing US war on drugs after this novel was written its one of the in hindsight interesting themes in the novel.
 
Last time I checked it was. I didn't tead the book, but the "young boy" in the Lynch film was probably in his 20s and "young men" would have been better, though Gramski refers to him as a young boy. Villains being queer is an old trope to also make them appear even more depraved, you'll find it as recently as in Zach Snyder's 300.

Agree.

Reading the novel and was reminded of 300. Atreides family are viral men are men and women are strong but feminine. The Harkonnens represent the worst of oriental imperialist decadence.( the Western fantasy of orientalism) Women are absent as a Ying Yang counterposing force in Harkonnen family. So I'd say the "feminine" principal is the in the novel important psychic lack in the Harkonenn family. Whether this can now be seen as progressive sexual politics I'm not sure.

A theme in novel is that Atreides and Harkonnens are genetically linked. Yet Atreides are on side of good. Novel more progressive viewpoint suggests that genetics isn't everything. Mind training and the unquantifiable plays important role. Paul is a wild card in this development of the human race. In this Frank Herbert was a humanist.

In the novel the young men /boys would come under the "barely legal" category. It's an outdated trope
 
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Enjoying a piece of fantasy literature must be a long dead concept to you

With all due respect I think you've got me wrong on this.

Coming from growing up in Beatnik/ Hippy mileau I grew up on fantasy literature. I still read it. It's that I have ambivalent relationship to it.

Moorcock, Gene Wolfe, Philip Jose Farmer for example.

And of course Lord of the Rings.

Funnily enough I've more recently been reading "proper literature". As feel don't know enough about it. For example read Don Quixote. Whilst reading it thought this reminded me of fantasy off the wall Sci fi. It is a surreal novel.
 
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I'm a bit shocked that Paul didn't jump her. If I was the writer I'd add that to the plot. Of course it would be wrong, but how can a man not lose control when she's there?
aren't you the guy who was doing all that performative chest-beating on the Sarah Everard thread last week? Now you're posting creepy shit like this? Have a fucking word with yourself you weirdo.
 
Q for those who've seen it:
Should I be sober or stoned when I go on Thursday?
I made the right choice :D:weed:
Dune is made to be seen on the biggest loudest screen you can find.
I'll download it now and watch it at again home to be sure but I think I just saw a really good film.
Has spectacle and mood in spades.

Definitely suffers structurally by having the climactic violence in the middle of the film, so everyone who says it badly needs Part 2 is very right.
Of course nothing means anything until contracts are signed, but they're making the right sounds:
Will we have a sequel to Dune? If you watch the movie you see how it ends. I think you pretty much know the answer to that,” WarnerMedia Studios and Networks Chair and CEO Ann Sarnoff told Deadline yesterday in a sit-down chat regarding the conglom’s full support of Dune 2.

EDIT: Oh, one other thing, there's a lot of thopter action, which is good, because the thopters are very cool :)
 
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This does not make it into the new film and I bet it’s because same sex attraction as a signifier of depravity doesn’t fly in 2021.( Not putting this in spoilers as I hope there aren’t too many people here were looking forward to the Baron getting it on with young boys. )

It worked as recently as 300 iirc.
 
I went to see this last night having not read the book, seen the first movie, watched trailers or read reviews. Didn't know the story at all other than it had the worms from Tremors in it.
I really enjoyed it! The 2.5 hours run time didn't drag at all. Thought it was funny that it was promoted as starring Zendaya presumably to attract a young audience when she had maybe 3 lines :D
Hope it is successful enough that they make the second half though.
 
I went to see this last night having not read the book, seen the first movie, watched trailers or read reviews. Didn't know the story at all other than it had the worms from Tremors in it.
I really enjoyed it! The 2.5 hours run time didn't drag at all. Thought it was funny that it was promoted as starring Zendaya presumably to attract a young audience when she had maybe 3 lines :D
Hope it is successful enough that they make the second half though.

Apparently Chani is going to be a central character in the second film.

 
Well, I bloody loved it

As did the two people with me who had never read the books, and the one with me who had read only half of the first book.

Not really spoiler but just in case
I thought he did a bang-up job of covering the key bits of backstory with some deft dialogue and ignored the bits that could be safely ignored (really doesn't matter what the navigators look like or exactly what they do, you just need to know they use spice to get everyone around, couple of lines, done). All the sound was superb i.e. not just the music, oh and that includes many key parts with no music (thank you!!), of course it looked amazing, and it had the exact right level of epicness - the sweep of history, the rivalry of the houses - and the emperor of course - and the Shai-Hulud were awesome.

Yeah, bloody fantastic.
 
If I sit really close to the TV and turn the speakers up so loud the neighbours can hear it, then maybe it'll feel the same as it did on IMAX?

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