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Dulwich Hamlet and Coronavirus

Yeah the clubhouse would be risky. Its gets very hot and crowded in there, with lack of air circulation, I realise we won't be at full capacity but at times when we have been it felt i spent the majority of the afternoon cheek by jowl queuing for the bar or the toilets.
 
And Boris said restrictions in each tier would be tighter!!!!! Don't get me wrong, it would be great to watch some live football if it's genuinely safe to do so, but the messages from Government continue to be ridiculously mixed and chaotic. I wish they'd identify their priority and just stick to it; that way we might see some concerted progress.

Completely agree - such confusing, mixed messages.

Personally I think any number over 1,000 at Champion Hill is going to be too high to adequately maintain social distancing.
 
I doubt the clubhouse will be open anyway given the only way in and out is via a narrow corridor. I find it hard to believe many people have caught this virus by standing out in the open air, but of course there's no way of being certain of that. Having been to the two women's matches with crowds of 600 it didn't feel crowded to me, I don't see why we shouldn't be allowed 50% of capacity.

I can't make any sense of Johnson's Tiers of a Clown. You can't have some clubs playing with 50% capacity (well above normal average attendance for most in our division) but tell others to play behind closed doors. You can't operate a league like that, it's just not fair. I'm still adamant that this season should never have started behind closed doors
The science points to two main modes of transmission, droplets and aerosols.

Droplets can be avoided by distancing, not facing the person you're talking to, wearing a mask or all of the above. This wasn't known at the outset but is now. It also appears that transmission from touching contaminated surfaces probably isn't really a thing.

Aerosols seems to have been a huge transmitter and the risk is associated with prolonged gatherings of people indoors without thorough ventilation. Social distancing in these scenarios appears to be of very limited use. The aerosols just hang in the air, spreading throughout the enclosed area over time. Sorry pub people.

Based on this I don't see why there can't be a decent sized crowd outdoors at Champion Hill. If you doubt that, and obviously this random bloke on a message board is not an epidemiologist, you might want to ponder why games at step 3 and below before lockdown 2 didn't turn out to be epicentres of infection given that many paid lip service to infection prevention at best.
 
I wouldn't like to be in a crowd much bigger than this one, to be honest.

Dulwich Hamlet heartbreak as women's team lose 0-1 to Orient in FA Cup clash, Sunday 18th Oct 2020


Dulwich Hamlet heartbreak as women's team lose 0-1 to Orient in FA Cup clash, Sunday 18th Oct 2020


Dulwich Hamlet heartbreak as women's team lose 0-1 to Orient in FA Cup clash, Sunday 18th Oct 2020


 
I wouldn't like to be in a crowd much bigger than this one, to be honest.

Dulwich Hamlet heartbreak as women's team lose 0-1 to Orient in FA Cup clash, Sunday 18th Oct 2020's team lose 0-1 to Orient in FA Cup clash, Sunday 18th Oct 2020


Dulwich Hamlet heartbreak as women's team lose 0-1 to Orient in FA Cup clash, Sunday 18th Oct 2020's team lose 0-1 to Orient in FA Cup clash, Sunday 18th Oct 2020


Dulwich Hamlet heartbreak as women's team lose 0-1 to Orient in FA Cup clash, Sunday 18th Oct 2020's team lose 0-1 to Orient in FA Cup clash, Sunday 18th Oct 2020


Which is obviously your call but I would say that is instinctive, rather than evidence-based.

Not that much social distancing going on at the front of that middle pic, by the way - if that's agreed distancing then you could get a lot more than 600 or so in.
 
Which is obviously your call but I would say that is instinctive, rather than evidence-based.
Except there is no definitive 'evidence' or yardstick of exactly what level of social distancing is necessary in these circumstances, so I can only go on what I feel comfortable with - and I definitely wouldn't feel too comfortable with 1,000 people in Champion Hill.
 
Except there is no definitive 'evidence' or yardstick of exactly what level of social distancing is necessary in these circumstances, so I can only go on what I feel comfortable with - and I definitely wouldn't feel too comfortable with 1,000 people in Champion Hill.
Sounds like you're agreeing with what I said about your reasoning then. You'll soon have Peckham Town back though, so you're laughing.

Not sure where you going with "definitive 'evidence' " though.
 
Sounds like you're agreeing with what I said about your reasoning then. You'll soon have Peckham Town back though, so you're laughing.

Not sure where you going with "definitive 'evidence' " though.
The point being is that there is no official yardstick that can be used to accurately measure risk, unless you blindly trust whatever one-size-fits-all measures the government trots out.

Really not sure what Peckham Town has got to do with this conversation.
 
The point being is that there is no official yardstick that can be used to accurately measure risk, unless you blindly trust whatever one-size-fits-all measures the government trots out.

Really not sure what Peckham Town has got to do with this conversation.
I mean you'll get your football fix at Peckham, nothing sinister.

I have nothing but contempt for the government and its handling of the pandemic. That's not remotely anything to do with what I've said though. I'm going by evidence published by and through WHO. I'm not suggesting you go and read it all but unfortunately it forms part of my job.
 
I mean you'll get your football fix at Peckham, nothing sinister.

I have nothing but contempt for the government and its handling of the pandemic. That's not remotely anything to do with what I've said though. I'm going by evidence published by and through WHO. I'm not suggesting you go and read it all but unfortunately it forms part of my job.
I've read an awful lot of the current guidance as it happens, and my point still stands.
 
Yeah the clubhouse would be risky. Its gets very hot and crowded in there, with lack of air circulation, I realise we won't be at full capacity but at times when we have been it felt i spent the majority of the afternoon cheek by jowl queuing for the bar or the toilets.
Interesting to mention the toilets given the woeful provision at Champion Hill. If you’re no going to allow supporters to queue to get into the bar going to make queuing for upstairs toilets particularly difficult especially as the ground’s one and only Disabled/Accessible toilet is at the top of the stairs. Roll on the new ground where one the accessible provision can be increased and two Dulwich Hamlet can take the lead at football with gender neutral toilets...
 
There's gender neutral toilets already if you count the portaloos
Are the portapotties back as the last game I attended nearly a year ago (work commitments etc) they seemed to have disappeared. Unless every incarnation of the Doctor turned up & whoop-whooped them out of Champion Hill. On a serious note first came across gender neutral toilets watching handball in Denmark and it was all very civilised with everyone taking their turn. Cubicles wall to floor so note of that English “Carry On” style peeking! That said the ground’s actual accessible toilet provision is pretty poor though given there are less than 15 wheelchair spaces the one toilet is probably legal and something that is tough for the club to change. I expect this to be rectified in the new ground. I’d also hope that some of them have the radar key so that those that genuinely need them don’t have to wait because someone decides to nip in to avoid the queue..
 
Possibly more a case of a few people requiring a larger cubicle. Those portaloos are a tight squeeze even if you're fully mobile and not especially large.
Indeed... even more so if one’s bladder is a plastic bag glued to one’s hip! I’d bet good money too I’m not the only fan in this situation given there is around 100,000 of us in the U.K.
 
i think it will be 50% as that is lower than 2000. So- 1,500?

It will be lower than that. There's a heirarchy as to how many spectators are permitted and it's the lowest figure that is applied:

1. 2000 fans is the max.
2. then 50% of capacity (so for us that would be 1668).
3. then socially-distanced capacity - which for us will be even less than 50%

We can speculate what that figure will be, but we need to wait for the club to announce the figure, suffice to say I would expect that all season ticket holders should be able to attend.
 
Does anyone have any guess re. away supporters for champion hill and our away matches? I'm especially interested in Hungerford Sat Dec 5th, as last season was a good day out...plus a 4-1 win
 
I reckon between 500 and 1000 as there were quite a few reminders about the need to socially distance more at the DHWFC game against Orient which if I remember had just below 600.
 
Does anyone have any guess re. away supporters for champion hill and our away matches? I'm especially interested in Hungerford Sat Dec 5th, as last season was a good day out...plus a 4-1 win
Hungerford normally get crowds of about 300 so I doubt it will be a sellout, but personally I'd be wary of travelling without a prepaid online ticket. It looks like every club in the division except Tonbridge, Ebbsfleet and Maidstone will be allowed to admit supporters under the same conditions as ourselves. I just hope all the relevant boxes can be ticked in time for Saturday week.

Probably not much point asking to put next Tuesday's home game with St Albans back to the Wednesday after reading that link to the Dagenham statement.
 
Does anyone have any guess re. away supporters for champion hill and our away matches? I'm especially interested in Hungerford Sat Dec 5th, as last season was a good day out...plus a 4-1 win
I was wondering this too. I expect if home attendance doesn’t use all of the allotted capacity in other tier 2 grounds, it would make sense for clubs to give a number of tickets to away fans.
 
Hungerford normally get crowds of about 300 so I doubt it will be a sellout, but personally I'd be wary of travelling without a prepaid online ticket. It looks like every club in the division except Tonbridge, Ebbsfleet and Maidstone will be allowed to admit supporters under the same conditions as ourselves. I just hope all the relevant boxes can be ticked in time for Saturday week.

Probably not much point asking to put next Tuesday's home game with St Albans back to the Wednesday after reading that link to the Dagenham statement.
Is Dartford in the tier 3 zone do you think?
 
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