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Dulwich Hamlet and Coronavirus

Ridiculous business. So even that loon at Dover didn't vote in favour.

Reckon I could take a decent punt at the four in NLS who voted against even if I don't remotely understand their motivations.
 
National League statement, as posted on the Shots website

 
National League statement, as posted on the Shots website

Outrageous propaganda. The "result" isn't remotely "convincing". The League politburo might have the result it wanted but whichever way you look at it, half their member clubs supported a vote of no confidence and several more failed to vote against.
 
Should imagine they’ll use this as a green light to continue doing whatever they want to under the guise of their ridiculous rules.

As long as they keep the Step One clubs at heel, clubs in Step Two are basically irrelevant.
 
Hasn’t a formal (government?) enquiry been launched into the management of the National League, or is it my wishful thinking?
 
There's a review into football governance commissioned by the government.

Tracey Crouch is leading, she knows the club well so may be interested in dropping into governance this low down the food chain. However: I think we can safely assume most of the committee's work will be focused far higher up the food chain.

Whatever happens, the report won't say X is incompetent and must go. The league is private company and who it employs is none of the government's business. Any changes will be more governance oriented, which may still impact.

However given the League Board are spinning a vote when half the votes went against them as a triumph, it seems fairly clear they have no intention of changing anything unless forced to. Southport have a representative on the nine person committee undertaking the investigation. They seemed to 'get it' last season so hopefully they can make sure governance lower down is covered off.

Here's hoping the clubs can complete 2021/22. I dread to think of the consequences for clubs if we get a repeat of last season with the same bunch in control.
 
All appeals against fines for non fulfillment big fixtures have been rejected. £250 appeal fee forfeited and expenses to be paid.

All eyes on Dover now as they have stated they were insolvent if the fine was enforced.
 
Appeal lost and costs awarded against
 

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According to point 16.1 part of the Hamlet appeal was the club is insolvent was the fine was imposed.

Edited to say it's £1600 costs and the £250 appeal fee forfeited. Costs to be paid inside 30 days.
 
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Given their performance to date, sadly and depressingly unsurprising. Pretty much the model of corruption dressed up as governance.
 
If we don't have at least one easily learnt song about Mark Ives and this peposterous league bellowed out at every game this coming season then it will be a wasted one.
 
I'd honestly rather us drop down a league and distance ourselves from these shitehawks.
Does feel like that at the moment. With multiple teams spending a fortune trying to get promoted each season, survival feels like the best we can aim for - and survival means remaining at the whim of the League who have zero interest in any club at Step Two until they get promoted.
 
Does feel like that at the moment. With multiple teams spending a fortune trying to get promoted each season, survival feels like the best we can aim for - and survival means remaining at the whim of the League who have zero interest in any club at Step Two until they get promoted.
To be honest, I enjoyed just about every part of the matchday experience more when we were in the lower divisions.
 
Dover have blinked and confirmed they are playing on. Jim Parmenter has had some strong words to say about the appeal process and verdict.
 
It appears that Steps 3 and 4 are taking a pragmatic approach to next season, which would stop any football being played if supporters are not permitted, unless there is grant funding from the government (there won't be). They are also putting plans in place to manage promotion and relegation, if the season can't be concluded with various options in terms of foreshortened seasons. Isthmian statement here - AGM Statement regarding.

I have not seen any planning from The National League of this sort. Has anyone heard anything?!
 
Last I heard the league said they had a plan but weren't able to produce it. I suspect they would want to be broadly aligned with Steps 3 and 4 but probably need EFL sign off to ensure promotion / relegation to that body isn't scrapped.

I can't believe they won't have something up for FA consideration ahead of the relevant date. Failure to do so would be a gift to the 'rebel' clubs.
 
Hamlet chairman not impressed with the National League:

Hmmm.... We all know The National League board are not fit for purpose, but failing to submit the appropriate financial records at an FA appeal hearing is a pretty shoddy effort by the club. Why on earth should we expect the league to provide information to an independent panel that is going to allow that panel to overturn the league's decision? Bonkers!!
 
Hmmm.... We all know The National League board are not fit for purpose, but failing to submit the appropriate financial records at an FA appeal hearing is a pretty shoddy effort by the club. Why on earth should we expect the league to provide information to an independent panel that is going to allow that panel to overturn the league's decision? Bonkers!!
It does sound like the club has been naive from reading that article, but 10 other clubs had their appeals dismissed too. Was every one of those clubs incapable of submitting a coherent and effective case? This is a report on Dover's failed appeal:


As Ben Clasper points out, the National League is now led by a CEO with 20 years experience as an FA compliance officer and he knows how to fight a case like this on technicalities without paying any real heed to the valid concerns of those appealing. Their argument is that there was no good reason for us not to fulfil fixtures despite having had no income for several weeks, and no prospect of being able to generate any income anytime soon. A total of 11 clubs had their appeals dismissed last week, with not one having its appeal upheld.

Three clubs had their fines and suspended points deductions halved in return for accepting all charges against them. It was widely reported beforehand that any club accepting the charges would have its sanctions reduced by 50%. Addressing a shareholders meeting last month, Clasper told Hamlet supporters that an official had told him verbally and off the record that the remaining 50% of the £8,000 fine could be conveniently overlooked and would not actually be levied if he accepted the charges. This is alluded to in Paragraph 17 of the document on the FA website relating to Dulwich Hamlet's appeal, which is linked below. Needless to say the National league now denies any such offer was made.


This corrupt organization will do anything to sweep its own incompetence under the carpet, kick any damning evidence into the long grass (i.e. the Bernstein report into the division of lottery finding among member clubs) and carry on as normal. Trying to get any sort of justice or reform with these bastards is like trying to fight a fair election in Belarus or Zimbabwe.
 
It does sound like the club has been naive from reading that article, but 10 other clubs had their appeals dismissed too. Was every one of those clubs incapable of submitting a coherent and effective case? This is a report on Dover's failed appeal:


As Ben Clasper points out, the National League is now led by a CEO with 20 years experience as an FA compliance officer and he knows how to fight a case like this on technicalities without paying any real heed to the valid concerns of those appealing. Their argument is that there was no good reason for us not to fulfil fixtures despite having had no income for several weeks, and no prospect of being able to generate any income anytime soon. A total of 11 clubs had their appeals dismissed last week, with not one having its appeal upheld.

Three clubs had their fines and suspended points deductions halved in return for accepting all charges against them. It was widely reported beforehand that any club accepting the charges would have its sanctions reduced by 50%. Addressing a shareholders meeting last month, Clasper told Hamlet supporters that an official had told him verbally and off the record that the remaining 50% of the £8,000 fine could be conveniently overlooked and would not actually be levied if he accepted the charges. This is alluded to in Paragraph 17 of the document on the FA website relating to Dulwich Hamlet's appeal, which is linked below. Needless to say the National league now denies any such offer was made.


This corrupt organization will do anything to sweep its own incompetence under the carpet, kick any damning evidence into the long grass (i.e. the Bernstein report into the division of lottery finding among member clubs) and carry on as normal. Trying to get any sort of justice or reform with these bastards is like trying to fight a fair election in Belarus or Zimbabwe.
Good post, PP. I didn't think my opinion of the NL board could possibly get any lower, but it just has!
 
To be honest that makes me suspicious DCMS.are covering something up. If the minutes backed up.their version of events they'd cheerfully release the minutes.

Could it be the minutes contain something that backs up the league's version of what they were promised?
 
Quite a nice sign that I had to look for this thread halfway down the second page. Sorry for bumping it back up...

Just skimming the just-announced Government Covid plans.

Page 24 has a section on restrictions under the "Plan B" scenario (basically measures brought in if the NHS looks like getting overwhelmed).

Mandatory Vaccine-only COVID-status Certification Settings Under Plan B, the Government expects that mandatory vaccine-only certification would be introduced for visitors to the following venues:
● All nightclubs;
● Indoor, crowded settings with 500 or more attendees where those attendees are likely to be in close proximity to people from other households, such as music venues or large receptions;
● Outdoor, crowded settings with 4,000 or more attendees where those attendees are likely to be in close proximity to people from other households, such as outdoor festivals; and
● Any settings with 10,000 or more attendees, such as large sports and music stadia.
There are some settings that will be exempt from requirements to use the NHS COVID Pass, including communal worship, wedding ceremonies, funerals and other commemorative events, protests and mass participation sporting events.

Implication I suppose is that even under that scenario DHFC wouldn't be affected by needing to check for vaccine status. And from there the further implication might also be that no reduction of capacity would come in - it's not mentioned anywhere that I can see.

Of course, there's no telling what would happen under Plan C, D, E...
 
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