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Hamlet, and others, have called for Brian Barwick to resign over the money distribution.

There are some notable omissions on that list of clubs putting their name to the letter: Notts County, Yeovil, Wrexham. Not sure what Dorking are signing for, I'd have thought £30k a month is no less than what they're losing in matchday revenue, although all support is welcome of course.
 
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There are some notable omissions on that list of clubs putting their name to the letter: Notts County, Yeovil, Wrexham. Not sure what Dorking are signing for, I'd have thought £30k a month is no less than what they're losing in matchday revenue, although all support is welcome of course.
Interesting that the clubs have gone down this route with next to no support from the National League top division clubs. Given that the voting structure gives NL clubs one vote per club with NLN & NLS getting four votes each this is a pretty impotent threat with only Chesterfield on board. I’m guessing Dorking reason for being on board is that NL get three times the NLS & they are after a more equal split regardless of division. Then again that raises question marks over Chesterfield involvement as they could lose money on that basis.
 
It seems that the National League Board are a bit upset! Strongly-worded response from them (published on Dover's website as the chairman is a member of the NL Board) but will be published elsewhere I'm sure if not already...


Still no sign of any transparency on the funding allocation methodology; claiming that the funding was never solely on gate receipts..."Attendances and gate receipts were an element of the methodology of distribution and continue to be, but they are not the only criteria to be taken into account."

Looking forward to the further response by the noisy minority!
 
It seems that the National League Board are a bit upset! Strongly-worded response from them (published on Dover's website as the chairman is a member of the NL Board) but will be published elsewhere I'm sure if not already...


Still no sign of any transparency on the funding allocation methodology; claiming that the funding was never solely on gate receipts..."Attendances and gate receipts were an element of the methodology of distribution and continue to be, but they are not the only criteria to be taken into account."

Looking forward to the further response by the noisy minority!
Tin pot statement, tin pot league administration. Can't possibly think why they've chosen not to litigate.
 
It seems that the National League Board are a bit upset! Strongly-worded response from them (published on Dover's website as the chairman is a member of the NL Board) but will be published elsewhere I'm sure if not already...


Still no sign of any transparency on the funding allocation methodology; claiming that the funding was never solely on gate receipts..."Attendances and gate receipts were an element of the methodology of distribution and continue to be, but they are not the only criteria to be taken into account."

Looking forward to the further response by the noisy minority!

"We will not be running to the media" they say, in a letter addressed to a newspaper editor.
 
It seems that the National League Board are a bit upset! Strongly-worded response from them (published on Dover's website as the chairman is a member of the NL Board) but will be published elsewhere I'm sure if not already...


Still no sign of any transparency on the funding allocation methodology; claiming that the funding was never solely on gate receipts..."Attendances and gate receipts were an element of the methodology of distribution and continue to be, but they are not the only criteria to be taken into account."
This sort of belligerent bullshitting response is all too typical of modern leaders whenever those with genuine concerns try to hold them to account. It's lazy, arrogant and inept. Instead of a coherent and reasoned reply he's just doubled down on justifying a half-baked plan that doesn't stand up to scrutiny. "Be grateful for what we've given you, take it or leave it" seems to be his message. Weren't Dover on the brink of going into administration before the first lockdown? He can't even run his own club properly, never mind the whole league.

I've still heard no explanation why National Division clubs are getting almost three times as big a share of this pot than those in our division. Average gate receipts can't be three times as much, even allowing for higher prices. We know playing budgets are about three times as much because our chairman told us so at a public forum, but this funding is supposed to be compensation for lost gate receipts not a direct subsidy to cover the wage bill. The whole thing is unfairly weighted against clubs that are self sufficient and amounts to a massive bonus for those with small attendance figures who are bankrolled by rich owners, and it stinks.
 
I've still heard no explanation why National Division clubs are getting almost three times as big a share of this pot than those in our division. Average gate receipts can't be three times as much, even allowing for higher prices. We know playing budgets are about three times as much because our chairman told us so at a public forum, but this funding is supposed to be compensation for lost gate receipts not a direct subsidy to cover the wage bill. The whole thing is unfairly weighted against clubs that are self sufficient and amounts to a massive bonus for those with small attendance figures who are bankrolled by rich owners, and it stinks.
The NL average attendance for 19/20 was just shy of 2200, equivalent figures for NLN (1075ish) and NLS (around 850) are less than half that. When you couple this with the higher average entry price at NL level (£18 for an adult is the norm, many clubs charge more) then it's entirely plausible that NL clubs could be bringing in almost three times the average gate receipts of clubs at NLN/NLS level. If you multiply average attendances by admission prices for each club and the money was totalled up per division (yes, I know that's a lot of work!), I think you'd see NL clubs bringing in gate receipts around 2.75-3x NLN and 3-3.25x NLS. On average.

The problem as I see it is that the largest clubs in each division have been given far too little and the smallest clubs have been given far too much. Most of the clubs in the middle (Woking included) have come out roughly where they should be. So why not simply take away from Hungerford, Concord, Braintree, etc. and give more to yourselves and Maidstone? You don't need to take away from NL clubs, the money just needs to be distributed more realistically within each division. There's plenty of scope to do that, if the will is there from the league administrators.

Oh, and based on their performance last night, Dover are heading directly for NLS without passing Go (although still getting their £200, annoyingly). So there's a good chance you can give Parmenter a piece of your mind next season, assuming fans are allowed into games again.
 
The NL average attendance for 19/20 was just shy of 2200, equivalent figures for NLN (1075ish) and NLS (around 850) are less than half that. When you couple this with the higher average entry price at NL level (£18 for an adult is the norm, many clubs charge more) then it's entirely plausible that NL clubs could be bringing in almost three times the average gate receipts of clubs at NLN/NLS level. If you multiply average attendances by admission prices for each club and the money was totalled up per division (yes, I know that's a lot of work!), I think you'd see NL clubs bringing in gate receipts around 2.75-3x NLN and 3-3.25x NLS. On average.

The problem as I see it is that the largest clubs in each division have been given far too little and the smallest clubs have been given far too much. Most of the clubs in the middle (Woking included) have come out roughly where they should be. So why not simply take away from Hungerford, Concord, Braintree, etc. and give more to yourselves and Maidstone? You don't need to take away from NL clubs, the money just needs to be distributed more realistically within each division. There's plenty of scope to do that, if the will is there from the league administrators.

Oh, and based on their performance last night, Dover are heading directly for NLS without passing Go (although still getting their £200, annoyingly). So there's a good chance you can give Parmenter a piece of your mind next season, assuming fans are allowed into games again.
Fair enough, I hadn't looked at any data I was just going on instinct. I was probably preoccupied by our own average of 2,200, which was higher than a majority of National Division clubs and about double the size of Dover's. On a typical Saturday when we're at home no more than 4 or 5 of the twelve National Division crowds seem to be higher than ours. I tend to pay most attention to our nearest neighbours Sutton and Bromley, whose figures are usually a bit below ours on the same day. As you say it's the discrepancy between the biggest and smallest figures at each level that needs to be focused on rather than between the two levels, but it really sticks in the throat that Parmenter's club gets £252k over 3 months while we get £108k.

Our chairman observed that 7 of the 8 members of the League Management Committee represent clubs witha below average attendance figure for their division. Probably just an unfortunate coincidence but at best it looks like they haven't given the issue as much thought as they should have done before dividing the grant money.

As for all that waffle about methodology and criteria, all they've done is award an extra 20% to a dozen clubs whose figures are above a particular threshold regardless of whether it's fractionally above or far above.
 
The BBC are reporting £11m for Steps 1-2, £14m for steps 3-6 and £3m for women's football step 1 and 2.

Look forward to seeing how the board divvy that lot up...

Edited to say. The Guardian is reporting that this money is largely in the form of loans, not grants.

 
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The BBC are reporting £11m for Steps 1-2, £14m for steps 3-6 and £3m for women's football step 1 and 2.

Look forward to seeing how the board divvy that lot up...

Edited to say. The Guardian is reporting that this money is largely in the form of loans, not grants.


In completely unrelated news, Dover have tabled a multi-year contract to Lionel Messi this lunchtime.
 
I can see why the NL board had gone down the route it has done, after all this split means the majority of clubs are happy with their allocation with only Dorking Wanderers of the “Resign Barwick” signatories likely to end up worse off if the allocation were done on a straight attendance numbers basis, not taking into account lost total income per spectator, lost sponsorship, players wages, management & ancillary staff wages plus any other non-matchday income. I understand some of those wages might be covered by furlough or other government grants & loans but am left wondering whether so much of this could have been avoided if someone had put together some formula that brought all the elements into play.
 
The BBC are reporting £11m for Steps 1-2, £14m for steps 3-6 and £3m for women's football step 1 and 2.

Look forward to seeing how the board divvy that lot up...

Edited to say. The Guardian is reporting that this money is largely in the form of loans, not grants.

Sure many of the old school Hamlet fans would have noticed the massive discrepancy between the money available to Rugby Union clubs (£135million) and that available to Rugby League (less than 10% of than £12million). Of course nothing to do with one sports southern shires base and the others popularity in the North...
 
As a RL fan, sadly, I think the fact this is largely loans explains that. The finances in RL are not good. The next TV deal is expected to be badly down, likewise sponsorship revenues. The RFL wasn't in a great shape financially even before this. The sport just isn't in position to take on big loans. A financial reckoning is looming within the sport.

I'd love to think this was pro union bias, sadly I think it has far more to do with the state of RL in Britain.

BTW Brian Barwick was important in RL until recently. He left the sport in a great state, not.
 

This definitely won't be the last club in our division and very close to home........
 


London is reportedly going to be Tier 2

And Boris said restrictions in each tier would be tighter!!!!! Don't get me wrong, it would be great to watch some live football if it's genuinely safe to do so, but the messages from Government continue to be ridiculously mixed and chaotic. I wish they'd identify their priority and just stick to it; that way we might see some concerted progress.
 
Does this mean we get to see you spontaneously combust in the flesh when we sign 3 more unknowns on the eve of a game, play long ball with one up front, put Reise on the wing and make a loan player captain?

You're joking, right? It's bad enough when it's free to watch! 😁
 
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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the capacity may be lower than initially suspected.

Talking to a friend involved at Shots, one of their ex officials, who has a background in this stuff, has said it is the lower of x thousand or 50%, subject to social distancing.

DCMS have yet to outline these social distancing requirements but he suspects it will be as per the existing SGSA SG02 document that has previously been flagged on this thread.

50% at Shots is over 3500 however; the club previously stated their capacity under SG02 would be 1900 - 2100. That's a ground with a lot more space than the Hamlet have.

I'm sure the club will speak as soon as the necessary details are out but one to be aware of.
 
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the capacity may be lower than initially suspected.

Talking to a friend involved at Shots, one of their ex officials, who has a background in this stuff, has said it is the lower of x thousand or 50%, subject to social distancing.

DCMS have yet to outline these social distancing requirements but he suspects it will be as per the existing SGSA SG02 document that has previously been flagged on this thread.

50% at Shots is over 3500 however; the club previously stated their capacity under SG02 would be 1900 - 2100. That's a ground with a lot more space than the Hamlet have.

I'm sure the club will speak as soon as the necessary details are out but one to be aware of.
I wouldn't have thought anything above around 500-600 would be safe. There's not a lot of space at Champion Hill.
 
The closest you'll get to a scientific consensus now (compared with the start of the pandemic) is that the risk of contracting Covid outdoors is minimal, if you take minor precautions. 50% capacity seems very doable in a safe way.

I'd give the clubhouse a swerve though.
I doubt the clubhouse will be open anyway given the only way in and out is via a narrow corridor. I find it hard to believe many people have caught this virus by standing out in the open air, but of course there's no way of being certain of that. Having been to the two women's matches with crowds of 600 it didn't feel crowded to me, I don't see why we shouldn't be allowed 50% of capacity.

I can't make any sense of Johnson's Tiers of a Clown. You can't have some clubs playing with 50% capacity (well above normal average attendance for most in our division) but tell others to play behind closed doors. You can't operate a league like that, it's just not fair. I'm still adamant that this season should never have started behind closed doors
 
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