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Do you believe dowsing for water works?

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nogojones said:
Like how Jonathon Bishop sometimes gets booked by a radio news show because they think he a scientific expert on trolling
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Jesus! Please read the thread.

Ralph Llama said:
Yes.... this conspiracy theory is getting more elaborate. You would think they would have removed it by now.

credentials in a scientific field?
Hans-Dieter Betz - Wikipedia


What are you on about?
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keybored said:
That'll be why I quoted within your quote, Einstein.
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Sorry for the `twat`. Don`t know what happened there . I suppose i was getting a little worn.

The context- I quoted that as an example of how lab conditions might remove the mechanism. They might be a fraud for all i know... I was just using what they said as a possible example.

beesonthewhatnow said:
My position on anything in life is very simple - show it to be true, with evidence.

Look at the universe around you, it is full of the most incredible, fantastic and quite frankly impossible things. It is a source of wonder, beauty and amazement. All of which is better for being true. We don’t need woo, the world has more than enough to keep us questioning and discovering for a thousand lifetimes and more.
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Yes, I could see the thread was started with an open mind and without the slightest hint of arrogance or bias.
NOT :p

beesonthewhatnow said:
It’s another cornerstone of pseudoscientific thinking. Ignore a vast body of evidence and cling to the one result you can find that supports* your position, as if it somehow invalidates everything else, rather than either being a statistical outlier or experimental error.

See also conspiracy theorists, alternative medicine supporters, vaccine deniers etc etc




*although in this case it’s rather clear it doesn’t even do this
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Your getting confused. All we are doing is throwing doubt into the arena to proove that it is not so obvious as you arrogantly assume. You asked for it.

Oh and if you fancy starting a thread on traditional medicine, I will oblige and wipe the floor with you.
 
"Open mind" :D:D

Classic phrase of the woo merchant.

And I'll drop a classic response back at you on that:
"Don't be so open minded that your brains fall out"

I very, very rarely resort to this but you, sir, are a bit of a prick and I will entertain your nonsense no longer. You are only the second person in all my time here who I am putting on ignore. I know this will hurt you deeply and you will make some trite comment including a sticky-outy-tongue emoji but hey, It's the internet and I've had wine.
 
I`m not. I`m looking into it because of my m8`s mineral water company which makes me think there might be something in it that the lab tests are missing. Pippin cos their family member dowsed. I don`t care which way I end up thinking... or if you put me on ignore...(why would that deeply hurt me? Check your ego lol)

I`ll just ignore you back :p
 
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Ralph Llama said:
I`m not. I`m looking into it because of my m8`s mineral water company which makes me think there might be something in it that the lab tests are missing. Pippin cos their family member dowsed. I don`t care which way I end up thinking... or if you put me on ignore...(why would that deeply hurt me? Check your ego lol)
:p
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Maybe, just maybe, they dowsed and got lucky?

Learn how science works. One anecdote != data
 
Ralph Llama said:
All we are doing is throwing doubt into the arena
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All you are doing is betraying your lack of understanding as to how science works and what constitutes sound evidence.

Oh and if you fancy starting a thread on traditional medicine, I will oblige and wipe the floor with you.
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There is medicine and not-medicine, nothing else. But hey, go ahead.
 
beesonthewhatnow said:
Maybe, just maybe, they dowsed and got lucky?

Learn how science works. One anecdote != data
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Eh. You haven`t woken up yet have you ?
Learn how people work. Without the anecdote from a trusted family I would not bother looking in to this.... actually I wouldn't of bothered at all if you didn`t start this thread in such an uncouth manner .
 
Also, I'd like to see a Deadliest Warrior style showdown - Deadliest Woo-rier, I posit - between dowsers and homeopaths. I dunno quite how it would pan out though and it's possible they'll all kill each other before filming in a fight over willow bark.
 
What still is coming across... is the condensation and hate. I can empathise a bit... but why would you waste your time debunking something that is of no consequence to you?
If someone started a thread about jews ruling the earth from the other side of the moon ... i might post like one bit of ridicule.. but really why bother engaging? What are your motives ?
 
mauvais said:
Also, I'd like to see a Deadliest Warrior style showdown - Deadliest Woo-rier, I posit - between dowsers and homeopaths. I dunno quite how it would pan out though and it's possible they'll all kill each other before filming in a fight over willow bark.
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The dowsers would win as they would be able to find the homeopaths wherever they hid cos they could detect the water in their remedies. Obvs innit.

ETA willow bark is oft cited by idiots as an example of "traditional" medicine being good. Yes it was good. It is good. It contains salicylic acid which is now a medicine called aspirin because it does indeed work and has been proven to work. Thread knows this already I'll wager.
 
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Ralph Llama said:
What still is coming across... is the condensation and hate. I can empathise a bit... but why would you waste your time debunking something that is of no consequence to you?
If someone started a thread about jews ruling the earth from the other side of the moon ... i might post like one bit of ridicule.. but really why bother engaging? What are your motives ?
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Because this stuff does have consequences.
 
beesonthewhatnow said:
All you are doing is betraying your lack of understanding as to how science works and what constitutes sound evidence.


There is medicine and not-medicine, nothing else. But hey, go ahead.
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Cool :D
Garlic is an anti-biotic
Meadowsweet and willow bark are the origins of aspirin.
Pharmaceutical companies are corporate institutions that are trying to stamp out D.I.Y. medicine and health.
From Hawthorn can be concocted a number of tinctures that effect the heart.
A cup of mint tea will settle your stomach.
Milk thistle can cleanse the liver
 
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Mrs Miggins said:
The dowsers would win as they would be able to find the homeopaths wherever they hid cos they could detect the water in their remedies. Obvs innit.

ETA willow bark is oft cited by idiots as an example of "traditional" medicine being good. Yes it was good. It is good. It contains salicylic acid which is now a medicine called aspirin because it does indeed work and has been proven to work. Thread knows this already I'll wager.
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Hippy ! :D
 
Ralph Llama said:
Cool :D
Garlic is an anti-biotic
Meadowsweet and willow bark are the origins of aspirin.
Pharmaceutical companies are corporate institutions that are trying to stamp out D.I.Y. medicine and health.
From Hawthorn can be concocted a number of tinctures that effect the heart.
A cup of mint tea will settle your stomach.
Milk thistle can cleanse the liver
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Multiple citations needed.

By the way, I can make a “tincture” that will have a very strong effect on my heart from the cleaning products under my kitchen sink.

Also, define “cleanse”.
 
 
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Ralph Llama said:
Milk Thistle -

Milk Thistle: Effects on Liver Disease and Cirrhosis and Clinical Adverse Effects: Summary - AHRQ Evidence Report Summaries - NCBI Bookshelf
Silybum marianum - Wikipedia
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Clinical efficacy of milk thistle is not clearly established. Interpretation of the evidence is hampered by poor study methods and/or poor quality of reporting in publications. Problems in study design include heterogeneity in etiology and extent of liver disease, small sample sizes, and variation in formulation, dosing, and duration of milk thistle therapy. Possible benefit has been shown most frequently, but not consistently, for improvement in aminotransferases and liver function tests are overwhelmingly the most common outcome measure studied. Survival and other clinical outcome measures have been studied least often, with both positive and negative findings. Available evidence is not sufficient to suggest whether milk thistle may be more effective for some liver diseases than others or if effectiveness might be related to duration of therapy or chronicity and severity of liver disease. Regarding adverse effects, little evidence is available regarding causality, but available evidence does suggest that milk thistle is associated with few, and generally minor, adverse effects.
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Well, that didn’t take long.
 
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