Donald Trump, the road that might not lead to the White House!

[Kaka Tim]

Jeez, wherever I go,whatever I read, there is some heartbroken remainer hijacking the topic with their "we wus robbed" tale of woe, give it a fucking rest, won't you? You lost, live with it.
Your observation re; "the working class" is pretty telling, frothy lattes all round.

what are you on about? did you read the article? its a blackly comic but very insightful comment about how a large section of an alienated, discontented (rural american) working class end up voting for a "brick through the window" option. It has obvious parallels with the working class brexit vote. How you get to me implying "we woz robbed" from that is beyond me. Perhaps im having a latte withdrawal.

 

[Yossarian]

Jeez, wherever I go,whatever I read, there is some heartbroken remainer hijacking the topic with their "we wus robbed" tale of woe, give it a fucking rest, won't you? You lost, live with it.
Your observation re; "the working class" is pretty telling, frothy lattes all round.

"Boo hoo, the bad man said something bad about my Brexit. Don't you know I'm a winner? You must be posh."

I don't think the Brexit vote and the Trump vote are all that much alike - Britain and the US are as different from each other as Germany or France and the US are - but since Trump is going around calling himself "Mr. Brexit" and dragging Nigel Farage around the campaign trail, we can't pretend there's no link at all.

 

[Casually Red]

Aye, also Mexican, as trump was quick to point out, and "tubby" WTF has that got to do with the accusations being made?
As for porn? Yer man comes over as a wannabe porn actor.

Whoosh

 

[kabbes]

Why does Trump look like Emperor Palpatine and the Statue of Liberty look like Margaret Thatcher?

 

[tim]

Interesting article - similar arguments can be made about the brexit vote and large sections of the working class here.

No they can't

 

[bluescreen]

Interesting article that cartoon comes from. It's partial and prolix as Rolling Stone always is. <snippage>

Trump's early rampage through the Republican field made literary sense. It was classic farce. He was the lewd, unwelcome guest who horrified priggish, decent society, a theme that has mesmerized audiences for centuries, from Vanity Fair to The Government Inspectorto (closer to home) Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. When you let a hands-y, drunken slob loose at an aristocrats' ball, the satirical power of the story comes from the aristocrats deserving what comes next. And nothing has ever deserved a comeuppance quite like the American presidential electoral process, which had become as exclusive and cut off from the people as a tsarist shooting party.

The first symptom of a degraded aristocracy is a lack of capable candidates for the throne. After years of indulgence, ruling families become frail, inbred and isolated, with no one but mystics, impotents and children to put forward as kings. Think of Nikolai Romanov reading fortunes as his troops starved at the front. Weak princes lead to popular uprisings. Which brings us to this year's Republican field.

There wasn't one capable or inspiring person in the infamous "Clown Car" lineup. All 16 of the non-Trump entrants were dunces, religious zealots, wimps or tyrants, all equally out of touch with voters.

The only thing that could get in the way of real change – if not now, then surely very soon – was a rebellion so maladroit, ill-conceived and irresponsible that even the severest critics of the system would become zealots for the status quo.

In the absolute best-case scenario, the one in which he loses, this is what Trump's run accomplished. He ran as an outsider antidote to a corrupt two-party system, and instead will leave that system more entrenched than ever. If he goes on to lose, he will be our Bonaparte, the monster who will continue to terrify us even in exile, reinforcing the authority of kings.

If you thought lesser-evilism was bad before, wait until the answer to every question you might have about your political leaders becomes, "Would you rather have Trump in office?"

Trump can't win. Our national experiment can't end because one aging narcissist got bored of sex and food. Not even America deserves that. But that doesn't mean we come out ahead. We're more divided than ever, sicker than ever, dumber than ever. And there's no reason to think it won't be worse the next time.

Matt Taibbi on the Fury and Failure of Donald Trump

 

[hash tag]

Make America sick again Vote Trumpor Alice?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Could be worse, could be Ted Nugent ...

 

[Casually Red]

"Boo hoo, the bad man said something bad about my Brexit. Don't you know I'm a winner? You must be posh."

I don't think the Brexit vote and the Trump vote are all that much alike - Britain and the US are as different from each other as Germany or France and the US are - but since Trump is going around calling himself "Mr. Brexit" and dragging Nigel Farage around the campaign trail, we can't pretend there's no link at all.

The poor and marginalised are often quite similar no matter were you go. As are the hopeless and decrepit states of their environments. Globalisation is global. Neo liberalism is the dominant political force in the USA , Britain, France and Germany . A traditional working class are it's victims . Their experiences are similar regardless.
You only need to look at the post brexit whinging by hordes of cosmopolitans and see the very same dismissive and insulting arrogance as can be found amongst the cosmopolitan liberals and " left wingers " in the US towards a rejection of Clinton. The very same cultural disconnect . Or in a more general sense the complete inability to fathom why some people aren't atheists , couldn't give a stuff about identity politics , all that stuff. And the often smug contempt and ridicule that flows from that .
I thought the brick through the window analogy was pretty apt . It's a massive " fuck you " from people who feel they simply don't count . It's also more complicated than that . But it still is what it is .

 

[Idris2002]

Make America sick again Vote Trumpor Alice?

Lifelong Republican. Like Iggy Pop.

How's that for Heritage Rock?

 

[emanymton]

That's it, all over for Trump now.

Nigel Farage backtracks on Donald Trump support amid groping claims

 

[Casually Red]

That's it, all over for Trump now.

Nigel Farage backtracks on Donald Trump support amid groping claims

The articles ...or more particularly its headline..basically a bit of hype, attempting to add to the snowball rolling down a hill message the media want to encourage . The positions Farage is outlining there are the very same positions he's outlined throughout the Trump candidacy. There's interviews going back to the summer were he's said the very same stuff . Disagreed on his comments about Muslims, Mexico, gun control etc . Nothing new at all there . Just a pro Clinton newspaper dishonestly spinning months old news as if its ...news. Rats deserting a sinking ship. When there's nothing has actually changed.

Exactly the same story back in July

Even Nigel Farage is getting 'uncomfortable' about Donald Trump's anti-Muslim rhetoric

 

[teqniq]

The New York Times stands to benefit big time from a Trump lawsuit

 

[teqniq]

The full, chilling story of Trump's connection with America's ugliest hate groups

 

[Tankus]

Why does Trump look like Emperor Palpatine and the Statue of Liberty look like Margaret Thatcher?

nah ...the bells the bells

look how small his hands are

 

[krtek a houby]

"Jackbooted leaver"? Jeez you lot are so up your own hyperbole you seem to have lost the plot!
Haddaway to the guardian comments section, home of the wailing weeping, we will get a second referendum, remainer rearguard.
Though, I suppose Brexit is a topic for conversation on a US presidential thread, as it seems Brexit is the cause of all woes, have you blamed the warm September on Brexit yet?

Has anyone blamed the tories yet? Or the people who voted tory?

 

[krtek a houby]

Even better he's blaming a Mexican billionaire called Carlos Slim for manufacturing these stories . Carlos Slim ..it's a porn name if ever there was .
He's also , ironically, quite tubby .

Maybe ease it with body shaming, eh?

 

[Casually Red]

Piss off chimp

 

[krtek a houby]

Piss off chimp

What's your problem with people who have weight issues, Casually Red?

 

[gosub]

"I don't know what's going on with her because at the beginning of the last debate she was all pumped up and at the end it was like, uh... She could barely reach her car," he said, calling for a drug test before the final debate on Wednesday.

 

[krtek a houby]

"I don't know what's going on with her because at the beginning of the last debate she was all pumped up and at the end it was like, uh... She could barely reach her car," he said, calling for a drug test before the final debate on Wednesday.

The eejit. He's just miffed because people picked up on his sniffing during the debates.

 

[Casually Red]

What's your problem with people who have weight issues, Casually Red?

Go away weirdo

 

[J Ed]

There doesn't seem to have been much interest in the Podesta emails on here so far.

There is a lot that is of interest in those emails, but the most pertinent to this thread is this one:

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails//fileid/1120/251

Pied Piper Candidates
There are two ways to approach the strategies mentioned above. The first is to use the field as a whole to inflict damage on itself similar to what happened to Mitt Romney in 2012. The variety of candidates is a positive here, and many of the lesser known can serve as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right. In this scenario, we don’t want to marginalize the more extreme candidates, but make them more “Pied Piper” candidates who actually represent the mainstream of the Republican Party. Pied Piper candidates include, but aren’t limited to:
• Ted Cruz
• Donald Trump
• Ben Carson

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Another accuser has come forward.

On 7 October, as the political world convulsed from the revelation that Trump had bragged about kissing and groping women without their consent, Cathy Heller, 63, was sitting in her New York home fielding incredulous emails from a friend.

“I keep thinking about how he treated you,” her friend wrote, hours after showing Heller the tape. “Obviously not an isolated incident.”

It was a story Heller had told many friends and family members over the years, but is only now telling in public. Some 20 years ago, she claims, when she met Donald Trump for the first and only time, he grabbed her, went for a kiss, and grew angry with her as she twisted away. “Oh, come on,” she alleges that he barked, before holding her firmly in place and planting his lips on hers.

It is exactly what Trump claimed, in the most recent presidential debate, that he did not do. And so Heller has added her voice to a chorus of women now accusing Trump of unwanted behavior. “He can’t claim we’re all liars,” Heller said.

Donald Trump 'grabbed me and went for the lips', says ninth accuser

 

[Bernie Gunther]

The full, chilling story of Trump's connection with America's ugliest hate groups

Yeah, this is the stuff that bothers me particularly, the idea that the confluence of interests that Trump (or Boris/UKIP/Daily Mail) represent, are taking white supremacy tropes mainstream.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Novelty guests don’t know they’re novelty guests. They just think they’re guests. That evening in May 1993, Vanity Fair had two tables and we filled them with the likes of Christopher Hitchens, Bob Shrum, Barry Diller and Diane von Furstenberg, Peggy Noonan, Tipper Gore, and Vendela Kirsebom, a Swedish model who professionally went by her first name and who was then at or near the top of the catwalk heap. I sat Trump beside Vendela, thinking that she would get a kick out of him. This was not the case. After 45 minutes she came over to my table, almost in tears, and pleaded with me to move her. It seems that Trump had spent his entire time with her assaying the “tits” and legs of the other female guests and asking how they measured up to those of other women, including his wife. “He is,” she told me, in words that seemed familiar, “the most vulgar man I have ever met.”

Donald Trump: The Ugly American (with Apologies to Lederer and Burdick)

 

[Bakunin]

The kiss of death for Trump...

Iain Duncan Smith says Donald Trump is 'a very decent man'

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

At one point we sent checks for $1.11 out to 58 of the “well-known” and “well-heeled” to see who would take the time to endorse and deposit the checks from a firm we called the National Refund Clearinghouse. The ones who deposited the $1.11 checks were sent 64-cent checks, and the ones who deposited those were sent checks for 13 cents. This being in the days before electronic deposits and such, the exercise took the better part of a year. At the end, only two 13-cent checks were signed—and we couldn’t believe our good fortune. One was signed by arms trader Adnan Khashoggi. The other was deposited by Donald Trump.

 

[Raheem]

There doesn't seem to have been much interest in the Podesta emails on here so far.

There is a lot that is of interest in those emails, but the most pertinent to this thread is this one:

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails//fileid/1120/251

I may be misunderstanding your post, but am I supposed to be shocked and disillusioned that the Clinton campaign has discussed strategies for defeating its opponents in a presidential race?

 

[J Ed]

I may be misunderstanding your post, but am I supposed to be shocked and disillusioned that the Clinton campaign has discussed strategies for defeating its opponents in a presidential race?

The way in which this particular strategy seems to have been carried out in reality is that they bolstered Trump's candidacy by giving him more credibility and exposure than he would otherwise have had because they knew that Clinton would stand a far better chance against Trump than, for example, Rubio. I think that, considering the sorts of forces unleashed by the Trump campaign, merits a bit more than a mere shrug of the shoulders.