Donald Trump, the road that might not lead to the White House!

[DotCommunist]

If?
Surely there can be no doubt at this stage that he will lose no?

don't jinx it by uttering certaincies

 

[8den]

It is all over bar the shouting for Trump, and how much shouting there is probably depends on him.

Frankly is anyone else worried about the level of dog whistle crazy Trump is coming out with over the last few days, about the election being stolen by the media and banks? I really would not be surprised that it doesn't inspire some Timothy McVeigh level shit.

 

[8den]

paragraph two is the gold

I think thats lawyer speak for "go fuck yourself sunshine".

 

[Fanny Fruitcake]

It is all over bar the shouting for Trump, and how much shouting there is probably depends on him.

It won't be all over until we see the ferret-headed one spontaneously combust onstage, with nothing left except his fright wig scuttling around on the floor in ever-dreceasing circles.

 

[bimble]

Frankly is anyone else worried about the level of dog whistle crazy Trump is coming out with over the last few days, about the election being stolen by the media and banks? I really would not be surprised that it doesn't inspire some Timothy McVeigh level shit.

I'm sure HC has some serious security. I think the conspiracy theory stuff that Trump is increasingly relying on is the most interesting bit of all this.
It's got very broad appeal.

 

[killer b]

this is good. Dangerous idiots: how the liberal media elite failed working-class Americans

 

[butchersapron]

this is good. Dangerous idiots: how the liberal media elite failed working-class Americans

You've probably already seen this related piece as regards Sanders:

Burying the White Working Class

Instead of acknowledging the size and importance of this part of the electorate, Democratic Party elites have simply constructed a new narrative to suit their interests — a narrative that was on display after West Virginia. Following Sanders’s win a significant chunk of the punditocracy came to the conclusion, mostly by abusing the hell out of exit polls, that a vote for the Jewish socialist was actually a vote for white supremacy.

After decades of being told white workers would never support socialism because they’re racist, we’re now told that they support the socialist candidate because they are racist. Yes, this is where liberals are in the year 2016.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Oh Damn! Old Grey Lady fires back at Trump's Lawyers letter from this morning.

If they'd wiped their arse with his lawyers letter and send it back to him, I doubt the message would have been clearer.

I believe the term for this is "libel proof":

Trump threatens suit over Times article, but he's 'pretty much libel proof,' expert says

 

[8den]

I believe the term for this is "libel proof":

Trump threatens suit over Times article, but he's 'pretty much libel proof,' expert says

I believe the term is actually

 

[8den]

And now Curt Shilling is defending Trump's lewd comments about a child.

‘You’re On Your Own’: FBN Host Stunned by Curt Schilling Defending Lewd Trump Remark

The next few weeks are going to be fucking horrific aren't they?

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

And now Curt Shilling is defending Trump's lewd comments about a child.

‘You’re On Your Own’: FBN Host Stunned by Curt Schilling Defending Lewd Trump Remark

The next few weeks are going to be fucking horrific aren't they?

I keep thinking "it can't get any worse, can it?" And then it gets worse.

 

[weltweit]

I keep thinking "it can't get any worse, can it?" And then it gets worse.

I find it pretty easy to tune out, but I suppose it must be harder for you.

 

[bimble]

You've probably already seen this related piece as regards Sanders:

What does this article have to say about the current situation though?
Where are the white working class going to vote now? And if they are largely planning to vote for Trump, the billionaire tax avoider, then why? Maybe because there is nothing better on offer than blaming the most obvious other for everything that hurts and is scary.

"More and more, liberals just point and scream: “racist.” Certainly, many members of the white working class reject the Obama/Clinton program of inclusion and meritocracy for reactionary reasons (and vote Republican), many more are pretty lukewarm about it. When polled, they support far more egalitarian policies like the kind associated with the Sanders campaign. But when it comes down to it, few of them show up on election day."

 

[butchersapron]

What does this article have to say about the current situation though?
Where are the white working class going to vote now? And if they are largely planning to vote for Trump, the billionaire tax avoider, them why?

"More and more, liberals just point and scream: “racist.” Certainly, many members of the white working class reject the Obama/Clinton program of inclusion and meritocracy for reactionary reasons (and vote Republican), many more are pretty lukewarm about it. When polled, they support far more egalitarian policies like the kind associated with the Sanders campaign. But when it comes down to it, few of them show up on election day."

It's a piece discussing similar claims as the one that killer b linked to. I thought that maybe killer b or others may be interested in reading it - and it does have direct crossover in terms of white working class alienation from traditional political authorities. I apologise for posting it on this lazer beam focused thread with it's near 7000 posts strictly and solely about the thread title though.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Another egg in the basket of deplorables:

Dr. Ben Carson suggested that America is on the precipice of violent unrest thanks to the legalization of gay marriage.

The former neurosurgeon and failed presidential candidate was a speaker at the Pensmore National Symposium on Religious Liberty on October 7, at the College of the Ozarks.

At the conference, the Seventh-day Adventist Christian told conservatives to fight against an 'ever-growing government' for their faith.

He suggested that 'there will be mass killings once again' and that 'the peace that we experience now will be only a memory'.

'This is the nation that stands between peace and utter chaos,' he said.

When asked what he thought was causing this descent, Carson responded: 'The whole gay marriage issue'.

Ben Carson says 'gay marriage' will bring 'mass killings' | Daily Mail Online

 

[DotCommunist]

What we need is to have our stories told, preferably by someone who can walk into a factory without his own guilt fogging his glasses.

some excellently acerbic lines in that guardian piece.

 

[8den]

This Michelle Obama speech on Donald Trump was remarkable

Can Michelle run soon?

 

[J Ed]

edited out totally unnecessary comment.

 

[bimble]

It's a piece discussing similar claims as the one that killer b linked to. I thought that maybe killer b or others may be interested in reading it - and it does have direct crossover in terms of white working class alienation from traditional political authorities. I apologise for posting it on this lazer beam focused thread with it's near 7000 posts strictly and solely about the thread title though.

Wasn't meant to sound uppity sorry. Was hoping to get a view on what it is that might make the same demographic as really want Sanders' ideas move toward Trump.
The assumption that harsh economic conditions and speed of change inevitably lead to people (white working class people/ men) wanting to vote for Trump is something that could do with untangling.

 

[J Ed]

Wasn't meant to sound uppity sorry, Was hoping to get a view on what it is that might make the same demographic as really want Sanders' ideas move toward Trump.
The assumption that harsh economic conditions and speed of change inevitably lead to people (white working class people/ men) wanting to vote for Trump s something that could do with untangling.

Are the white working-class supporting Trump?

The Great White Hype: No One Is Energizing the White Working Class, Not Even Donald Trump

IT HAS BECOME an article of faith among political pundits that GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump is energizing the white working class.

Trump is “rallying white working class voters,” Bill Schneider wrote for Reuters in December.

The New Yorker’s James Surowiecki wrote last year of Trump’s “popularity among working-class voters,” which has allowed him to appeal to voters former 2012 GOP presidential nominee Mitt “Romney couldn’t reach.”

Political scientist Justin Gest wrote for Reuters that Trump “bluntly acknowledges an acute sense of loss that has been uniquely felt by the white working class.”

This week alone, MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough said Trump could compete in Pennsylvania because of the “sort of white working class bastions that would provide him opportunities to win”; CNN political commentator Matt Lewis declared that Trump’s “populist, protectionist, anti-globalist trade politics … I think plays well with a lot of working class Americans out there”; and conservative commentator Hugh Hewitt told MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell “The white poor, the white working class in America feels very cut out by elites like you and me,” but “Trump is tapping into them in a big way.”

And yet, as New York Magazine’s Ed Kilgore recently noted, poll numbers actually show that Trump is now less popular with the white working class than Romney was. In 2012, Romney won 62 percent of noncollege-educated white voters. The latest NBC-Wall Street Journal poll showed that Trump isn’t even winning a clear majority with the group, with just 49 percent backing him. A McClatchy/Marist poll puts him even lower, at 46 percent. This is a reversal from earlier in the summer, when Trump’s support among the group was in the 60s, higher than Romney’s, though not by leaps and bounds.

Much of the analysis of Trump’s support was based on the fact that he did very well indeed among a particular group of white working-class voters early on: those who planned to vote in the GOP primary. Surowiecki, for instance, cited a July 2015 Washington Post/ABC News poll that showed a third of white GOP voters without college degrees had decided to support Trump, more than his rivals in the then-crowded field.

But one third of white working-class voters planning to vote in a GOP primary is not that many people. Trump got about 13 million primary votes, total. Even if half of those were from white working class voters, that’s still less than 3 percent of the 226 million eligible voters in 2016.

Within that GOP primary, for instance, the income differences between backers of the major candidates was not large over the course of the contest. A FiveThirtyEight analysis of exit poll data from primaries that took place through May 3 found that the median income of Trump voters was $71,000 — just $1,000 shy of the figure for voters backing Ted Cruz, Trump’s only serious rival for the nomination throughout the contest.

And as a group, one of the most defining attributes of the white working class is that fewer of them are voting each year

 

[TomUS]

this is good. Dangerous idiots: how the liberal media elite failed working-class Americans

"Liberal media elite", "Smug liberals"......Those are right wing phrases that are repeated constantly on right wing hate radio. That article is nonsense......making excuses for Trump supporters & blaming the rise of Trump on liberals. The responsibility for the rise of Trump lies with right wing Republicans & those who follow them......and Trump. Just consider what his supporters believe. But then articles like that are written by smug elite liberals I suppose.
Poll: Two-Thirds of Trump Backers Think Obama Is Muslim

 

[DotCommunist]

turnout results are going to be interesting. Question is how many can hold their nose and vote hillary? which demographics etc. Given the options its no wonder people stay home

 

[J Ed]

"Liberal media elite", "Smug liberals"......Those are right wing phrases that are repeated constantly on right wing hate radio. That article is nonsense......making excuses for Trump supporters & blaming the rise of Trump on liberals. The responsibility for the rise of Trump lies with right wing Republicans & those who follow them......and Trump. Just consider what his supporters believe. But then articles like that are written by smug elite liberals I suppose.
Poll: Two-Thirds of Trump Backers Think Obama Is Muslim

Did you read past the headline?

 

[killer b]

"Liberal media elite", "Smug liberals"......Those are right wing phrases that are repeated constantly on right wing hate radio. That article is nonsense......making excuses for Trump supporters & blaming the rise of Trump on liberals. The responsibility for the rise of Trump lies with right wing Republicans & those who follow them......and Trump. Just consider what his supporters believe. But then articles like that are written by smug elite liberals I suppose.
Poll: Two-Thirds of Trump Backers Think Obama Is Muslim

You're getting spittle on me.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I find it pretty easy to tune out, but I suppose it must be harder for you.

I have some vacation time coming. I should go back home. Its far enough out that there's no radio stations, no wifi, and if you can get newspapers, they're days old before they get to you. It's like a sensory deprivation tank with cows.

 

[TomUS]

Did you read past the headline?

Yes & I really don't think the author knows what she's talking about.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

this is good. Dangerous idiots: how the liberal media elite failed working-class Americans

The article tells us it's wrong to make generalizations about the white American working class, and it tells us it's wrong to classify all Trump supporters as racists or sexists.

What the article doesn't do, is explain exactly who it is who continues to support Trump, in spite of the continuing and ever-growing body of evidence to indicate that he is an entitled, bigoted, sexist, racist xenophobe.

 

[killer b]

What the article doesn't do, is explain exactly who it is who continues to support Trump, in spite of the continuing and ever-growing body of evidence to indicate that he is an entitled, bigoted, sexist, racist xenophobe.

I'm not sure if the article is obliged to do any of this.

 

[J Ed]

Yes & I really don't think the author knows what she's talking about.

OK. Can you expand on that a bit? I honestly do not understand how anyone could read that article and come to the conclusions that you have come to.

 

[bimble]

Are the white working-class supporting Trump?

The Great White Hype: No One Is Energizing the White Working Class, Not Even Donald Trump

Have you got a better idea of how to define his supporters then?
If it isn't white 'working class' men then who is it? (real question) -

That in itself is a crap shallow explantation I totally agree. But what then. And why.