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[littlebabyjesus]

I'm often amazed at the lack of curiosity some people have. Also aware, that's maybe bordering on just another way of calling people ignorant...

Many people are also strongly inclined to believe things simply because they would like those things to be true, and are strongly disinclined to seek anything that would show them that those things are not true.

(That also has the danger of sounding patronising, but I'd say it's something we all have an inclination towards, but some are more aware of that and will seek to counter it than others.)

That still leaves the puzzle as to why people would want these particular things to be true, though.

 

[Yossarian]

I've argued - reasonably respectfully - with a number of Ohio Trump supporters, a friend is from there and his high school friends tend to respond robustly to his anti-Trump posts on Facebook - wasn't especially enlightening, their main arguments revolved around Fox reports that aren't true, and an insistence that anybody who disagrees with them is gay

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I've argued - reasonably respectfully - with a number of Ohio Trump supporters, a friend is from there and his high school friends tend to respond robustly to his anti-Trump posts on Facebook - wasn't especially enlightening, their main arguments revolved around Fox reports that aren't true, and an insistence that anybody who disagrees with them is gay

Fucking hell. Are they 12???

 

[kabbes]

The division is not really about whether people are stupid or evil. It’s more fundamental than that. The question is about whether people have have an essential individual nature that is theirs alone and can’t be changed or whether they are indivisible from their cultural-historical context. It’s about whether knowledge exists separately from the people trying to access and use it or whether knowledge is mediated by the tools used to make sense of that knowledge. Because the former implies you need to change the context and culture in order to change how people make sense of their world, whereas the latter implies each individual freely chooses their own path in isolation. Is the problem located in the system or in the individual? And that brings us back to the Youngstown article. That article discusses motivations for voting for Trump that are not about individuals choosing what they agree with or think is best for them personally. It’s talking about system-based responses. That’s why I’m encouraging people to try restating it until they’ve really empathised with it.

 

[Boo Radley75]

I remember last time Trump was in and, on another forum I was on, I was laughing about his "drinking bleach to cure covid" comment. There was a sweet, old American lady on there who I had personally got on with very well for ages. When she was seriously ill we had many private conversations which she said helped her get through her fears. Anyway, she turned into a raging arsehole about that and even started accusing me of brainwashing my daughter to support terrorism. Was very shocking and had to cut all contact with her after that. Just find the whole Trump thing a cult.

 

[Rompipalle]

I remember last time Trump was in and, on another forum I was on, I was laughing about his "drinking bleach to cure covid" comment. There was a sweet, old American lady on there who I had personally got on with very well for ages. When she was seriously ill we had many private conversations which she said helped her get through her fears. Anyway, she turned into a raging arsehole about that and even started accusing me of brainwashing my daughter to support terrorism. Was very shocking and had to cut all contact with her after that. Just find the whole Trump thing a cult.

Is that last sentence a typo?

 

[tim]

Yes, I vary, shall we say. It is infuriating when obviously disingenuous bullshitters blame everything on the forrins and anyone goes along with them, let alone 70-odd million people in a single country. And yeah, lots of these people blaming the forrins are richer than me. It's not about me looking down on them. I'm looking across or up at them shaking my fist/head (depending on the mood).

Why use the word "forrins" to mock the way you perceive people speak if you don't look down on them?