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jesus you whole position is just smoke and mirror is it not phil


get the war mongering Biden out to stop the Neo cons
but its american only choice to remain involved and remove leaders of dangerous states if required

you just switched from a desire to return of the american politics of isolationism during the clinton era
whilst also saying america must remove the leader of iran if it threaten israel


and people said you at least knew your stuff on the subject
disappointing
 
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phildwyer said:
Yes, this is the kind of hysteria they're going to rely on. No charge will be too wild, no language too inflammatory. The neo-cons are absolutely desperate to keep Trump out of office, and willing to employ any means in order to do so. They will throw around rape charges, they will trample the constitution underfoot, they will stop at nothing at all.

This is in itself a very good reason to look favorably on Trump's candidacy. But how can we explain it? The answer is that the neo-cons sincerely (and not unreasonably) see the prospect of Trump's re-election as an existential threat. Remember that they are animated by one over-riding and absolute imperative: they MUST destroy Iran before it acquires a nuclear bomb. That will require getting rid of Assad first, and possibly Putin too. They know that time is against them, and they simply cannot afford to lose another four years to Trump. Their backs are against the wall, and they are becoming both dangerous and desperate.
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Charges of rape are "hysteria", a threat to the constitution and "a very good reason to look favourably on Trump's candidacy"?

You sink lower and lower with every post.
 
From the Washington Post

After Donald Trump was found liable for sexually abusing and defaming E. Jean Carroll, his legal team and his defenders lodged a frequent talking point.

Despite Carroll’s claims that Trump had raped her, they noted, the jury stopped short of saying he committed that particular offense. Instead, jurors opted for a second option: sexual abuse.
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“This was a rape claim, this was a rape case all along, and the jury rejected that — made other findings,” his lawyer, Joe Tacopina, said outside the courthouse.

A judge has now clarified that this is basically a legal distinction without a real-world difference. He says that what the jury found Trump did was in fact rape, as commonly understood.


The filing from Judge Lewis A. Kaplan came as Trump’s attorneys have sought a new trial and have argued that the jury’s $5 million verdict against Trump in the civil suit was excessive. The reason, they argue, is that sexual abuse could be as limited as the “groping” of a victim’s breasts.

Kaplan roundly rejected Trump’s motion Tuesday, calling that argument “entirely unpersuasive.”

“The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape,’ ” Kaplan wrote.

He added: “Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.”
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PR1Berske said:
Surely we can end this thread on the basis that Biden has lowered inflation, increased employment, and generally improved the country; while Trump is a criminally minded insurrectionist who vows to be a dictator on day one of his presidency?
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Just had fb feed making the same claim.....Is this a line Dems are actually pushing?
 
On another forum I visit it was pointed out that the "nation state" as we know it is such a modern invention, comparatively speaking, that we should really not be surprised if the US does continue on its path to become Margaret Atwood's Gilead were Trump to win again.

We know Russia is a dictatorship in all but name, we know China has no democratic safety net, so why do we expect the US to be any different?
 
Raheem said:
Because of its totally different history?
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Look, I'm on the side of democracy and elections and voting, I don't want Trump anywhere but jail..... The question though is worth chewing over: We're on the edge of the US becoming a dictatorship, in Texas etc it arguably already is, and I wonder just how the general population will react
 
PR1Berske said:
On another forum I visit it was pointed out that the "nation state" as we know it is such a modern invention, comparatively speaking, that we should really not be surprised if the US does continue on its path to become Margaret Atwood's Gilead were Trump to win again.

We know Russia is a dictatorship in all but name, we know China has no democratic safety net, so why do we expect the US to be any different?
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That's a good question.

The US is not under the control of of 'its' armed forces which are controlled either by a sole dictator or a puppet parliament as are Russia, China, North Korea and ?Turkey.
 
Sasaferrato said:
That's a good question.

The US is not under the control of of 'its' armed forces which are controlled either by a sole dictator or a puppet parliament as are Russia, China, North Korea and ?Turkey.
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That's the thing quoted often over the past few years but from service people: we serve the Constitution, not the President. This may be a safeguard against Trump's "Dictator from day one" ambitions.
 
That's the thing. How are you defining 'dictator'? Trump has shown that he's very certainly a wannabe dictator, but he hasn't actually succeeded so far. You need to do dictatory things successfully first, I would say. So the likes of Putin or Erdogan changing the constitution to stay in power or extend their powers. That's a dictatory thing to do.

By many measures, US democracy is quite poor. The stitch up of the system by two parties that are both funded by the rich leaves little real choice. But its institutions did withstand Trump first time round. Successful dictators don't get voted out of power.
 
PR1Berske said:
That's the thing quoted often over the past few years but from service people: we serve the Constitution, not the President. This may be a safeguard against Trump's "Dictator from day one" ambitions.
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While I suspect there's some truth in this, at least with the higher-ranking people in the military, it's a pretty thin line to hang the future of the country upon.
 
The institutions of the US weathered Trump the first time around but, if any of the reporting on plan 2024 is accurate, they will not survive a second. The right and far-right have a long-term plan that they have been following for decades. Trump may not get to be dictator (due to advancing years and a diet that an urban fox would blush at), but it's whatever follows a second Trump term is what's likely to tip the US over the edge.
 
Jeff Robinson said:
There is nothing, abolutely nothing that wouldn't be justified as necessary to prevent this deranged cult from assuming power again:

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If the answer wasn't guaranteed to be a load of crap about "mysterious ways" I would want to know why god didn't just use lightning bolts or whatever if he had such a big problem with the WEF and the "deep state"
 
Ax^ said:
tbf so we think trump would of done anything different with Israel seeming as he got the backing of the Christian fundies atm

he laid the path for the current conflict during his own presidency
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I agree. There's absolutely nothing that Trump can't make worse. It's just a shame there's no-one to vote for in the US if you don't support genocide. I mean, not supporting genocide should be fundamental, not an optional nice extra. Were I American, I probably would vote (for Biden, obviously), but I would be a little bit sick in my mouth doing so.
 
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