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[phildwyer]

because he is a Putin lap dog

and giving over half a country to Russia with the promise it won't annex the other half is not really resolving the situation

Better than stalemate with constant chance of nuclear escalation.

Also, I reckon Trump would take the US out of NATO, thus putting an end to it and achieving a long-held goal of the Left.

 

[Ax^]

check on Mr Chamberlain over here

give the despot his breathing room and then remove one of the main reason for him not to go after latvia next

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Depraved savagery looks likely. Here's hoping he's jailed for life and barred from standing on the basis of aiding and abetting an insurrection. The future of the world should never be held hostage to the votes of anybody thick or depraved enough to vote for a rapist and pedophile who tried to overthrow democracy. They must be denied the ability to cast such votes by any means necessary.

 

[krtek a houby]

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Depraved savagery looks likely. Here's hoping he's jailed for life and barred from standing on the basis of aiding and abetting an insurrection. The future of the world should never be held hostage to the votes of anybody thick or depraved enough to vote for a rapist and pedophile who tried to overthrow democracy. They must be denied the ability to cast such votes by any means necessary.

Not sure if denying people the right to vote is the best way forward

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Not sure if denying people the right to vote is the best way forward

No, they are not denied the right to vote, only denied the right to vote for somebody who the constitution disables from standing due to his part in the January 6 insurrection.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

After the Third Reich, Germany has denied anybody the right to vote for pro-Nazi candidates and parties. Any democracy faced with an existential threat posed by would-be tinpot demagogues has the right and duty to contain and destroy such threats.

 

[Nylock]

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Depraved savagery looks likely. Here's hoping he's jailed for life and barred from standing on the basis of aiding and abetting an insurrection. The future of the world should never be held hostage to the votes of anybody thick or depraved enough to vote for a rapist and pedophile who tried to overthrow democracy. They must be denied the ability to cast such votes by any means necessary.

It is indeed galling that the power to shape world events by electing the head of state for the World's Major Superpower(TM) falls to a bunch of religious conservatives, utterly duped 'trickle down' fantatsists and dangerous bigots, but banning certain types from voting can only go one way...

It's been widely reported over the past couple of years that polling in the US has an accuracy issue and an inherent right-wing lean due to the types of people who respond. Unless the NYT and Siena College have sorted out that issue, it's hard to say how much credence those numbers have (remember the 2022 'red wave'...? That was predicted by polling). Losing the youth vote and the fall-out from what's currently going on in Israel with certain voter demographics should be of more immediate concern to Biden and co. As opposed to an NYT troll poll....

 

[ska invita]

Is Biden 100% candidate for Dems? Can other candidates stand against him? I forget how it all works on a second term

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

It is indeed galling that the power to shape world events by electing the head of state for the World's Major Superpower(TM) falls to a bunch or religious conservatives, utterly duped 'trickle down' fantatsists and dangerous bigots, but banning certain types from voting can only go one way...

It's been widely reported over the past couple of years that polling in the US has an accuracy issue and an inherent right-wing lean due to the types of people who respond. Unless the NYT and Siena College have sorted out that issue, it's hard to say how much credence those numbers have (remember the 2022 'red wave'...? That was predicted by polling). Losing the youth vote and the fall-out from what's currently going on in Israel with certain voter demographics should be of more immediate concern to Biden and co. As opposed to an NYT troll poll....

Part of the inaccuracy of polling stems from the use of communication forms that older people tend to use. They still use snail mail and landline phones to solicit polling numbers. I think that accounts for a lot of the red shift. Even online options can also be manipulated by a dedicated group of people. In other words, polling is difficult in a society that has such a variety of communication options, many of which vary according to age and other demographic factors. It's almost inevitable that you're going to underrepresent some demographics and overrepresent others.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

It is indeed galling that the power to shape world events by electing the head of state for the World's Major Superpower(TM) falls to a bunch or religious conservatives, utterly duped 'trickle down' fantatsists and dangerous bigots, but banning certain types from voting can only go one way...

It's been widely reported over the past couple of years that polling in the US has an accuracy issue and an inherent right-wing lean due to the types of people who respond. Unless the NYT and Siena College have sorted out that issue, it's hard to say how much credence those numbers have (remember the 2022 'red wave'...? That was predicted by polling). Losing the youth vote and the fall-out from what's currently going on in Israel with certain voter demographics should be of more immediate concern to Biden and co. As opposed to an NYT troll poll....

To be clear, I didn't say they should be stripped of the vote, only the ability to vote for Trump, he should be debarred from office for trying to suppress votes and overthrow democracy.

 

[chandlerp]

Is Biden 100% candidate for Dems? Can other candidates stand against him? I forget how it all works on a second term

It matters not that it's for a second term, there is a Primary election just like for a first term. And, yes, people can stand against him and are already doing so.

 

[phildwyer]

check on Mr Chamberlain over here

give the despot his breathing room and then remove one of the main reason for him not to go after latvia nex

That's why Trump's ahead in the polls though---people are sick of the Ukraine.

Problem is, Trump's record on Israel suggests he'd be ultra-hawkish on Gaza. But Netanyahu double-crossed him by denouncing his claims of election fraud, so he may have reconsidered....

 

[PR1Berske]

Everything they've already done and worse. Voting rights, gone. From of assembly will be diluted, much as we're seeing here. Courts will become Trump -appointed rubber stamp factories, and they're going that way already.

His branch of Christian Nationalism (as seen by Speaker Johnson) means destroying the fabric of the United States, from top to bottom. January 6 was a dress rehearsal. The Handmaid's Tale will look tame.

 

[PR1Berske]

because he is a Putin lap dog

and giving over half a country to Russia with the promise it won't annex the other half is not really resolving the situation

Give Putin half of Ukraine and he'll be rolling the tanks into Riga, Tallinn and the rest within the month.

 

[PR1Berske]

He'll end the war in Ukraine.

By starting an invasion of the Baltic States and possibly Romania etc.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

It matters not that it's for a second term, there is a Primary election just like for a first term. And, yes, people can stand against him and are already doing so.

It amazes me that the democrats can't do better. Like, I know they'll only ever put forward corporate shills, but you'd like they could find some string a sentence together and how isn't kinda creepy and inappropriate around young girls

 

[ska invita]

Also, I reckon Trump would take the US out of NATO, thus putting an end to it and achieving a long-held goal of the Left.

Global demilitarisation is a goal for sure, and it can be done, but it is a process that happens as part of a wider mutual socialist, internationalist project. Shock actions by Trump are never going to be part of "long-held goals of the left"

 

[phildwyer]

Global demilitarisation is a goal for sure, and it can be done, but it is a process that happens as part of a wider mutual socialist, internationalist project. Shock actions by Trump are never going to be part of "long-held goals of the left"

That's where I disagree with people about Trump.

I think good things are often done by bad people. Individuals are tools in the hands of the Zeitgeist, which frequently produces outcomes opposite to their conscious intentions. Trump doesn't intend to bring about the end of the American Empire, but he may well end up doing so.

 

[Dogsauce]

It amazes me that the democrats can't do better. Like, I know they'll only ever put forward corporate shills, but you'd like they could find some string a sentence together and how isn't kinda creepy and inappropriate around young girls

Corporations fund their campaigns, including primaries. An anti-corporate candidate had no chance.

 

[Ax^]

so your plan is to let a race war start in America and let the iron curtain comedown again across eastern Europe

and that somehow a goal of the left

wtf have you been smoking

 

[Ax^]

if anyone want to remember the interwebz in 2016

spend 5 minutes replying to dywer

 

[Yossarian]

He'll stop radical leftists like Obama from leading the country into World War II, apparently

 

[skyscraper101]

Biden's so visibly past it, he's practically handing it to Trump on a plate at this point. Why would anybody even want to be running for office at 82 years old? Just retire with your dogs already. The short sightedness of it all is so depressing.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Is Biden 100% candidate for Dems? Can other candidates stand against him? I forget how it all works on a second term

First term Presidents have to go through the same selection process as other candidates. However, they tend to be put up for the position as a matter of tradition. This may not be as bad of an idea as it sounds. In those years where the President had a challenger, the President went on to be defeated in the general election.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Corporations fund their campaigns, including primaries. An anti-corporate candidate had no chance.

I know, it’s the lacking basic cognitive and linguistic functions thing that baffles me. Couldn’t the corporations get a better value for money candidate?

 

[nogojones]

Biden's so visibly past it, he's practically handing it to Trump on a plate at this point. Why would anybody even want to be running for office at 82 years old? Just retire with your dogs already. The short sightedness of it all is so depressing.

Yeah, hand that baton onto Hillary.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I know, it’s the lacking basic cognitive and linguistic functions thing that baffles me. Couldn’t the corporations get a better value for money candidate?

All the better. Most of the cabinet members and department heads come from a corporate background. An ineffectual President means that former Pfizer, Vanguard, Schwab, and Goldman Sachs executives can do what they will without any meaningful oversight.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

All the better. Most of the cabinet members and department heads come from a corporate background. An ineffectual President means that former Pfizer, Vanguard, Schwab, and Goldman Sachs executives can do what they will without any meaningful oversight.

Yep. Years ago, William Burroughs was asked to write a magazine piece as part of a series called 'What I would do if I were President of the United States'. He replied that he would do exactly what those who got him into power told him to do, and instead wrote a piece about what he would do if he were put in charge of the sewers.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

All the better. Most of the cabinet members and department heads come from a corporate background. An ineffectual President means that former Pfizer, Vanguard, Schwab, and Goldman Sachs executives can do what they will without any meaningful oversight.

Only any use If he can beat the seditious orange pedo though, which is looking an increasingly shaky prospect.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Only any use If he can beat the seditious orange pedo though, which is looking an increasingly shaky prospect.

Often the front runners a year out are not on the ballot in November. Things can change quickly in a year.

I'm old enough to remember Jimmy Carter running for President. No one knew who he was until he displaced a number of previous frontrunners. It seemed like he came out of nowhere. There may be candidates on both sides that will show themselves with time. Or, we could be doomed to a repeat of the 2020 election. Who knows at this point.