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ouirdeaux said:
If you don't like it, why are you here? The internet is a big place. Do you think people are going to respond with 'hey, Romipalle doesn't like us, we've got to change at once'?
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Just stop. Please.

I didn't say I didn't like it here, so stop twisting my words and stop trying to pick an argument. I'm not responding to any more of this from you so go and howl at the moon if you wish. Just leave me alone.
 
Funky_monks said:
The inauguration inspired my first go at meme-making:
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Just in a Quite Interesting way I looked up corporatism wiki the other day and it says I misunderstood what corporatism was:

"Corporatism does not refer to a political system dominated by large business interests, even though the latter are commonly referred to as "corporations" in modern American vernacular and legal parlance. Instead, the correct term for that theoretical system would be corporatocracy. The terms "corporatocracy" and "corporatism" are often confused due to their similar names and to the use of corporations as organs of the state."

"Corporatism is a political system of interest representation and policymaking whereby corporate groups, such as agricultural, labour, military, business, scientific, or guild associations, come together etc etc"

Ive got a feeling that its too late though and the meaning has changed by the way it is used in common parlance.

According to the wiki Musollini's meaning was the orginal meaning of corporatism, though it could be said the scale of corporate business was never on the same scale as in the 30s as they are today, so maybe the difference between the two definitions is more one of a different social make up over time.
 
ska invita said:
Just in a Quite Interesting way I looked up corporatism wiki the other day and it says I misunderstood what corporatism was:

"Corporatism does not refer to a political system dominated by large business interests, even though the latter are commonly referred to as "corporations" in modern American vernacular and legal parlance. Instead, the correct term for that theoretical system would be corporatocracy. The terms "corporatocracy" and "corporatism" are often confused due to their similar names and to the use of corporations as organs of the state."

"Corporatism is a political system of interest representation and policymaking whereby corporate groups, such as agricultural, labour, military, business, scientific, or guild associations, come together etc etc"
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Isn't that pretty similar to how I mean it - the corporations (or their representative eg the BRC) being included at the policymaking level, much like MusK and DOGE?
 
ska invita said:
Just in a Quite Interesting way I looked up corporatism wiki the other day and it says I misunderstood what corporatism was:

"Corporatism does not refer to a political system dominated by large business interests, even though the latter are commonly referred to as "corporations" in modern American vernacular and legal parlance. Instead, the correct term for that theoretical system would be corporatocracy. The terms "corporatocracy" and "corporatism" are often confused due to their similar names and to the use of corporations as organs of the state."

"Corporatism is a political system of interest representation and policymaking whereby corporate groups, such as agricultural, labour, military, business, scientific, or guild associations, come together etc etc"

Ive got a feeling that its too late though and the meaning has changed by the way it is used in common parlance.

According to the wiki Musollini's meaning was the orginal meaning of corporatism, though it could be said the scale of corporate business was never on the same scale as in the 30s as they are today, so maybe the difference between the two definitions is more one of a different social make up over time.
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Well I just learnt that too. Nice one.
 
ska invita said:
Just in a Quite Interesting way I looked up corporatism wiki the other day and it says I misunderstood what corporatism was:

"Corporatism does not refer to a political system dominated by large business interests, even though the latter are commonly referred to as "corporations" in modern American vernacular and legal parlance. Instead, the correct term for that theoretical system would be corporatocracy. The terms "corporatocracy" and "corporatism" are often confused due to their similar names and to the use of corporations as organs of the state."

"Corporatism is a political system of interest representation and policymaking whereby corporate groups, such as agricultural, labour, military, business, scientific, or guild associations, come together etc etc"

Ive got a feeling that its too late though and the meaning has changed by the way it is used in common parlance.

According to the wiki Musollini's meaning was the orginal meaning of corporatism, though it could be said the scale of corporate business was never on the same scale as in the 30s as they are today, so maybe the difference between the two definitions is more one of a different social make up over time.
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Yep. The re-imagining of corporatism has nothing to do with Mussolini's fascist corporatism. In reality they're basically just talking about good old plutocracy with tech upgrades for the 21st century.
 
story said:
Blimey.

If even spring-peeper is getting fed up, we’re really off the edge off the map with this now.


I kinda want that thread in Community to be reopened. It was inexcusably ugly at the end, but it’s clear that the conversation isn’t over. Maybe if everyone can agree not to be vile while also addressing stuff….? Including the pass-agg and sarcasm and pisstaking, maybe….?
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There is a part of me that wonders if maybe we could all do with an enforced return to Danny's hippy getting to know each other thread.
 
Pissing people off on day one. This might be of interest in here as there was some discussion earlier:


Trump's pardons will embolden Proud Boys, other far-right groups, say experts
Several experts who study extremism said the extraordinary reversal for rioters who committed both violent and nonviolent crimes on Jan. 6, including assaulting police officers and seditious conspiracy, will embolden the Proud Boys and other extremist groups such as white supremacists who have openly called for political violence.
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“It’s outrageous,” former DC Metropolitan Police Officer Michael Fanone told Reuters. Fanone suffered a heart attack and a brain injury after he was beaten, sprayed with chemical irritants and shocked with a stun gun during the Jan. 6 violence. Fanone, 44, who spent 20 years as a police officer, said the pardons likely will inspire other supporters to violence, “because they believe Donald Trump will grant them a pardon. And why wouldn’t they believe that?”
Aquilino Gonell, a former U.S. Capitol Police sergeant who was injured defending the Capitol, said Trump’s pardons had nothing to do with righting an injustice. Trump and his Republican allies “have lost their claim to having moral high ground when defending our system of governance, the constitution, and supporting the police,” he said.
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