Donald Trump got turned down!!!!!!!!!

[Jessiedog]

......you aren't talking to yourself iyswim I've been keeping up with this thread for ages.

So thanks.

Aye!





Woof

 

[pogofish]

Oh look - Yet another high-end, US-market golf/tourism development has tanked:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/tayside_and_central/7993529.stm

We were sold this one on the "Madonna comes to Perthshire" hook. Pity there will be nowhere up to her exacting tastes now.

 

[wiskey]

I didn't even know you could get 6 starred hotels.

Its a beautiful castle.

 

[pogofish]

Imposing is more how I'd put it, its a huge place. The photo on the BBC site does not do it justice - The true glory of Taymouth however are its fantastic eighteenth/ninteenth interiors and the superb fan-vaulted staircase. Which have survived in superb condition - the building has been largely unused but kept wind & watertight since the mid/late 1970s.

Even here, you don't see all the range of buildings at the back which comprised the army base.

Some interior shots here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/willowherb/sets/72157594555218762/

It its heyday, it was the home of the biggest landowner in the entire UK. Followed by a spell as a luxury hotel, then the army had it (big bunker in the grounds ) and finally the estate became a country park whilst the castle became a school for the children of US diplomatic staff stationed overseas. After that closed, it passed through a succession of private (including Cher reputedly) hands but never occupied (apart from a caretaker) on more than a short-term basis.

 

[pogofish]

Well, rather than deal with his own transgressions and lies, it looks like Trump has decided to harrass the councillor with a complaint to the standards body.

Which will probably be an excuse for doing nothing at all, until they make a decision, whenever.

A COUNCILLOR has been reported to a public watchdog by tycoon Donald Trump.

Debra Storr had accused Mr Trump of blocking public access at his Menie Estate near Balmedie.

The Trump Organisation rejected the claim and accused Aberdeenshire councillor Ms Storr of “harassment”.

The Evening Express has learned it has now lodged a complaint with the Standards Commission.

http://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/Article.aspx/1170189

Never mind that there is one glaring lie in that report, which the paper itself ought to have picked-up on, as they reported on it several times before.

 

[geminisnake]

Stephen Kain is obviously a twat (comments)

 

[pogofish]

He is quite mild compared to some of the commentators on other Trump stories, in the EE & elsewhere TBH.

Just wait till the real sychophants to turn-up.

 

[stroober]

Hazelhead plan fails

http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/1180841?UserKey=

North-east golf course plan bunkered
council blames recession, but firm says the goalposts were moved

By Calum Ross

Published: 22/04/2009

An artist’s impression of the clubhouse at Hazlehead
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Aberdeen City Council announced last night that multimillion-pound plans to redevelop a historic golf course have collapsed.

The local authority blamed the global recession for the failure to seal a deal which would have transformed Hazlehead Golf Course into a £24million leisure complex.

The project is the second major north-east golf development to be bunkered by the economic downturn.

The firm behind plans for a Jack Nicklaus-designed course at Ury Estate near Stonehaven went into administration in February.

The region’s drive to become a global golf tourism hub now appears to rest with Donald Trump’s £1billion development at Balmedie, and the Paul Lawrie-led £115million scheme at Blairs College near Aberdeen.

 

[pogofish]

but firm says the goalposts were moved

I can't say I was as concerned by this development because its location was mainly no-mark industrial forest away from the courses but in its last few months, the proposal did take a few disturbing turns TBH.


First, the Mackenzie Club attempted to push through the deal at a private meeting, without any consultation or consideration of a viable alternative proposal by the full council.

Then they insisted on an extra two hundred acres of "development land" be tacked on to the deal, without any clear explanation why, or plans for the area - Which was of course adjacent to an up-market housing area.

Then there was the matter of the hotel and chalet development, for which they virtually demanded pre-approval, without any sign of a partner or operator.

Yes goalposts were moved but quite a lot of that moving was done by the developer themselves.

But a report has highlighted a “fundamental mismatch” between TMC Ltd’s “desire to be awarded control over as large a possible area” next to the golf courses and the council’s “desire to regulate any golf related development”.

<snip>

TMC wants 200 acres on top of the 245 acres of golf courses for developments such as a fishing pond, shooting range and a pub. The report described these a “unfunded and speculative” and said land should not be leased without “clear purpose or return”.

<snip>

Officers expressed concern that “no project agreement” exists yet between TMC and its preferred operator for a 50-bedroom five-star hotel, but the consortium has argued it needs a lease first.

Aberdeen golf plan hits the rough - Evening Express

 

[pogofish]

The Ury estate proposal was a very different matter - They had worked very hard to fit the scheme into a derelict estate that was crying out for reuse and had built significant bridges with the local community.

 

[pogofish]

So it seems the fucker now needs another hundred acres to build on:

DONALD Trump wants to buy five homes and a plot of land for his Menie Estate golf resort, the Evening Express can reveal today.

The tycoon is eyeing 100 acres which includes the five homes lying within or next to the Menie Estate, which could cost him several million pounds.

http://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/Article.aspx/1207485

I wonder if this includes the property of at least one other local resident who has been suffering threats of legal action from Trump for having the temerity to go about their own business on their own land but without anything like the publicity that Michael Forbes attracted?

 

[pogofish]

Oh great, now we get the token local on their staff and Trump finds a job for his boy after the Dubai development tanked:

http://news.scotsman.com/donaldtrump/Tycoon39s-Trump-card--the.5314214.jp#4073732

 

[quimcunx]

Oh look - Yet another high-end, US-market golf/tourism development has tanked:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/tayside_and_central/7993529.stm

We were sold this one on the "Madonna comes to Perthshire" hook. Pity there will be nowhere up to her exacting tastes now.

I remember when she was rumoured to be moving to my village. (there was a mansion house/hotel up for sale)

My dad said, ''She can sing can't she? We could do with her in the kirk choir''.

 

[pogofish]

My dad said, ''She can sing can't she? We could do with her in the kirk choir''.

At another time, Cher was interested in buying that place as well.

There are a number of big names regularly resident on that stretch of the Tay TBH.

 

[quimcunx]

At another time, Cher was interested in buying that place as well.

There are a number of big names regularly resident on that stretch of the Tay TBH.

Except that I'm not from that stretch of the tay and this mansion house was not remote enough, grand enough nor in possession of enough land for the likes of Madonna.

 

[pogofish]

Here are the individual applications for the properties not owned by Trump:

http://www.aberdeenshire.gov.uk/planning/apps/detail.asp?ref_no=APP/2009/1623

http://www.aberdeenshire.gov.uk/planning/apps/detail.asp?ref_no=APP/2009/1620

http://www.aberdeenshire.gov.uk/planning/apps/detail.asp?ref_no=APP/2009/1629

http://www.aberdeenshire.gov.uk/planning/apps/detail.asp?ref_no=APP/2009/1631

http://www.aberdeenshire.gov.uk/planning/apps/detail.asp?ref_no=APP/2009/1633

However, as outline applications, they are so vague that it is near impossible to get any idea of what they have in mind.

Also:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/scotland_video_and_audio/8077510.stm

Although some of the footage is old stuff reused.

 

[pk]

I remember when she was rumoured to be moving to my village. (there was a mansion house/hotel up for sale)

My dad said, ''She can sing can't she? We could do with her in the kirk choir''.

She can't sing though, that's the trouble.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Personally, I'm glad that the Trump plan will go ahead. The SSSI claim is spurious, there is bugger that lives there that doesn't live anywhere else, and, even if there were, so what? The demise of some obscure plant that the vast majority of people were not even aware existed, never mind being able to identify, should not be a reason to block development. The environmentalist lunatics need to be reined in, and sharply.

If we want Scotland to succeed, then we need to attract fresh money. It was important that Trump succeeded, not just because of his development, but because had he failed, the others would go elsewhere.

The age of the Luddites should be over.

 

[pogofish]

There is simply no fresh money in this deal Sass.

The PLI evidence demonstrated quite clearly that the funding model is typical Trump - A small initial investment (£12 million), then bubble it through unsustainable loans/forms of investment. The economic case was utter farce at best and he's come unstuck with this model umpteen times before - namely with the casinos and most recently the Trump Baja, Israel & Saudi failures.

The only thing that made a degree of financial sense was the housing and now even that looks shakey. And Trump is trying to delay this part of the scheme as long as possible, probably till the market picks-up.

As for the SSSI, that is anything but IMO. There is plenty of land where Trump could have developed without anything like the same damage and as It repesents exactly the sort of land type that genuinely earns Scotland far more than golf, I would suggest that Holyrood needs to get a grip on out real strengths and priorities, not go for qick-fix packages from predatory and utterly dishonest developers like Trump.

 

[teuchter]

It repesents exactly the sort of land type that genuinely earns Scotland far more than golf,

Kind of what i was going to say. People come to the north of scotland to see one of the least spoilt parts of europe. Particularly as far as coastlines are concerned.

Imagine if there'd been a few more "lunatic environmentalists" getting in the way in, say, Spain when they started developing their mediterranian coastline. Imagine what they might have still had now, and what it might have been "worth".

 

[pogofish]

Well, so much for all of the claims about the quality of the golf then - As well as being a bit less than honest on her CV, it seems that Trump's chosen boss for the scheme has yet to learn to play the game!

http://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/Article.aspx/1284313

You really could not make this shit up!

 

[pogofish]

If anyone is interested in a trip to Menie:

Tripping up Trump invites you to
BRING A PICNIC TO A PICNIC

Sunday 26th July
Meet Balmedie Visitor Centre car park 12pm onwards

Sandcastle competition, treasure hunt and more ... for children young and old!
Bring musical instruments to make a band!

Last of the Summer Dunes
If the Trump development goes ahead, this could be the last Summer we can walk and play on the Menie dunes. Families may be cleared from their homes for the golf course and housing estate. Show your support for the dunes and the residents at risk of eviction and join us in a peaceful, happy picnic.

Let’s enjoy these spectacular dunes while we can! Please try to walk, cycle or use the bus to the picnic. The car park is not minibus-friendly. Please, no
barbecues and keep dogs on leads on the dunes.

More info from: trippinguptrump@googlemail.com.

 

[pogofish]

Currently eating cake, deep in Trump's dunes

 

[pogofish]

Oh goodee! Police in sight not making good progress in the sand. Shall we scatter?

 

[geminisnake]

Currently eating cake, deep in Trump's dunes

Thought no-one can own the coastline in Scotland?? Or refuse/deny access?

 

[pogofish]

We were behind the costal strip - re-asserting a couple of old rights of way. And marking the estate boundaries- which are a lot closer to Balmedie than most folk realise.

Police were fine, just a bit peched-out!

 

[pogofish]

 

[pogofish]

 

[lang rabbie]

Last night's BBC4 Jonathan Meades feature on Aberdeen has a wonderful caustic section on Trump's plans

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00ml5wx/Jonathan_Meades_Off_Kilter_Episode_1/

(starts at about 50 minutes in)

 

[Cosmo Kramer]

Donald Trump can come to Kilmarnock any day, and build his golf course. Right over the top of the whole town. Actually make the place useful for once.