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Do you consider yourself an audiophile?

Are you an audiophile?

  • Yes

    Votes: 32 13.8%

  • No

    Votes: 84 36.2%

  • Audiophiles are deluded bullshitters

    Votes: 116 50.0%
  • Total voters
    232
beesonthewhatnow said:
He’s claiming an Ethernet cable can alter the sound of a streaming audio system. Which is complete horseshit.
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Now, I’m not an expert on this sort of thing, but it does smell a bit whiffy. For starters, don’t ethernet cables transfer data at way over the rates needed for audio files even if you buy the cheapest one out there?
 
8ball said:
Now, I’m not an expert on this sort of thing, but it does smell a bit whiffy. For starters, don’t ethernet cables transfer data at way over the rates needed for audio files even if you buy the cheapest one out there?
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Analogue canles make no difference to the sound, never mind digital :D
 
beesonthewhatnow said:
Analogue canles make no difference to the sound, never mind digital :D
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I think if you coil them in the right way to amplify noise from the power supply they might... :hmm:

And if you get ones with crappy connections you can get crackle if you're cranked enough to set things vibrating.

But yeah, otherwise that sounds kosher. ;)
 
I have to admit some conformation bias. I tend to use Shure products for making music, mixing and listening to it.
Got a set of SE846’s and SRH1840’s. And an SM58 and SM57.
 
Ming said:
I have to admit some conformation bias. I tend to use Shure products for making music, mixing and listening to it.
Got a set of SE846’s and SRH1840’s. And an SM58 and SM57.
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For live work I don't think you'll get anything for non-silly money that's as good as an SM58.
That was the case 10 years ago imo, anyway.
 
8ball said:
For live work I don't think you'll get anything for non-silly money that's as good as an SM58.
That was the case 10 years ago imo, anyway.
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Daltrey used one to record 'Live At Leeds'! I noticed Stewart Lee uses one for his stand up. I'm a drummer primarily but i use one for live backing vocals. Tough as old boots and always works. I use the SM57 for recording guitar straight from the amp (Van Halen does it to create the famous 'brown sound'...not that i'm that good on the guitar!).
 
8ball said:
For live work I don't think you'll get anything for non-silly money that's as good as an SM58.
That was the case 10 years ago imo, anyway.
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There’s a huge range of vocal mics that sound way better than a ‘58, both cheaper and more expensive.

However, it’s still the most widely used mic out there. Why? Because that’s what all engineers now know. I can say a few lines through one into a PA and know fairly quickly how that rig is going to sound, what I need to adjust etc. They also have the advantage of being built like a tank so last pretty much forever.

‘57’s are everywhere for similar reasons - they don’t sound amazing but they don’t sound bad either and you can use them on pretty much anything. If in doubt - an exotic instrument you don’t know, a strange guitar setup etc - point a ‘57 at it. It’ll work :)
 
Yeah, it seemed like the “industry standard” a decade back, and seemed at that point like it had been that way for a good while.

Occasionally worked with different ones that definitely didn’t sound as good around that time.
 
beesonthewhatnow said:
There’s a huge range of vocal mics that sound way better than a ‘58, both cheaper and more expensive.

However, it’s still the most widely used mic out there. Why? Because that’s what all engineers now know. I can say a few lines through one into a PA and know fairly quickly how that rig is going to sound, what I need to adjust etc. They also have the advantage of being built like a tank so last pretty much forever.

‘57’s are everywhere for similar reasons - they don’t sound amazing but they don’t sound bad either and you can use them on pretty much anything. If in doubt - an exotic instrument you don’t know, a strange guitar setup etc - point a ‘57 at it. It’ll work :)
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So, just out of casual interest, what would you recommend as a cheaper (or equivalent) SM-58-a-like? Asking for a bandmate... :D
 
existentialist said:
So, just out of casual interest, what would you recommend as a cheaper (or equivalent) SM-58-a-like? Asking for a bandmate... :D
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Cheaper than a 58 but sometimes sounds better - AKG D5
More expensive than a 58 but always sounds better - Sennheiser e935

But if you're buying for one specific singer go try a few out and find what suits their voice. If it's going to be used by lots of different people stick with a 58 tbh.
 
tbh a 58 or 57 goes for 50 quid or so. what you get is something versatile and reliable. why save a tenner or so to get something that will prolly sound similar but won't be as reliable?
 
littleseb said:
tbh a 58 or 57 goes for 50 quid or so. what you get is something versatile and reliable. why save a tenner or so to get something that will prolly sound similar but won't be as reliable?
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If you're paying £50 for a 58 it's fake from China.

£90ish is the going rate.
 
littleseb said:
tbh a 58 or 57 goes for 50 quid or so. what you get is something versatile and reliable. why save a tenner or so to get something that will prolly sound similar but won't be as reliable?
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New they're about 90 quid.

I want one at some point for acoustic guitar. Read about some others I was recommended but they cost way more or are probably too sensitive for recording in my front room...
 
xenon said:
New they're about 90 quid.

I want one at some point for acoustic guitar. Read about some others I was recommended but they cost way more or are probably too sensitive for recording in my front room...
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Look at getting a condenser for acoustic guitar, assuming you have an interface that can supply +48V phantom power. Think a bit about positioning and hang an old duvet behind the mic to cut down on room reflections and you'll get decent results.
 
beesonthewhatnow said:
Look at getting a condenser for acoustic guitar, assuming you have an interface that can supply +48V phantom power. Think a bit about positioning and hang an old duvet behind the mic to cut down on room reflections and you'll get decent results.
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Thanks. Have a focusrite Saffire that can provide the juice. Problem is I have quite a high ceiling as well as general traffic noise. I've experimented with the SM57 I've got but obv it's not really suited for that. Thought about getting one of these gain boosting preamps for dynamic mics. Cloud Lifter, Fet Head etc but think I'd be better off getting another mic. One mic I was looking at / reading about was the CAD M179. Still might go for this at some point.
 
xenon said:
Thanks. Have a focusrite Saffire that can provide the juice. Problem is I have quite a high ceiling as well as general traffic noise. I've experimented with the SM57 I've got but obv it's not really suited for that. Thought about getting one of these gain boosting preamps for dynamic mics. Cloud Lifter, Fet Head etc but think I'd be better off getting another mic. One mic I was looking at / reading about was the CAD M179. Still might go for this at some point.
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Honestly, get a condenser. sE make some really good ones that don't break the bank.

Then, it's all about positioning. A high ceiling isn't always a bad thing, think how much of the natural sound of a guitar will be it interacting with the room. Big thick duvets hung in certain places (but usually behind the mic) can really help.


sE Electronics sE X1S Condenser Microphone Vocal Pack - Andertons Music Co.

(ignore the "vocal" description, that just means they've included a pop filter, you wouldn't need that for the guitar but it's useful to have. The important bit is the shock mount)
 
pogofish said:
More amazing still is buried in the text - I see we now have a market opening for an Audiophile ISP...! :D
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Pretty much every paragraph has a gem of some kind in it.

It’s interesting how some of these other engineers (and their minions) denounce what audiophiles are hearing as placebo and hallucinations. They also demand double-blind and null tests for everything. Do they really think intelligent people who are able to afford this gear – would drop lots of cash for something they don’t really hear?
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Why yes, that's exactly what I think they do :D
 
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