Do you consider yourself an audiophile?
- Thread starter Doctor Carrot
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You're just jealous
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
I'm starting to wonder if anyone actually does. Part of me thinks these silly high end cables are basically "brand polish", stuff to make people buy the lower stuff thinking that it will have some of the supposed top end benefits.
You have to laugh at these audiophile types, don't you
Here... have a little giggle at this!
Yours for just £20,495.00
No... they're not talking about a high-end sound system for that money, they're talking about a fookin' power cable, that goes from the socket in your wall to the back of your hifi!
It's a fookin' power cable...
Nordost ODIN Power Cord
Never mind the 10p a foot wiring that you're plugging your 20 thousand quid power cable into, you can rest assured that the last few feet of wire will convert all that bad electricity into hifi friendly electricity... with chocolatey undertones
And here... have a 3m pair of £24,995.00 speaker cables to go with it
Nordost ODIN Speaker Cable
A friend of mine worked at the Audio Counsel in Manchester in the 80s, where he used to do his own 'blind testing'... well, sort of...
The shop sold all the best, high-end audio gear and was, therefore, always packed with audiophiles. One saturday, whilst recovering from a Friday night out, my friend decided to test a theory. He went into the audio room and swapped around some of the interconnects, etc, and waited for the usual audiophiles to come in and test the latest and greatest in cables, and from that day forward, every Saturday, he did the same thing and had a little giggle to himself as the audiophiles went into great depth to explain how much better these new cables were and how the placement on the sound stage was much better with these new interconnects, when in fact, instead of £300 bits of wire, they were actually listening to it through £10 bits of wire.
He also had a 'wheel of bullshit' thing beside the phone (kinda like a wheel of fortune thing). It was a piece of paper, cut into a circle and stabbed onto one of those sharp things that office desks used to have on them for holding paperwork. On the paper were all the usual audiophile buzzwords, like 'sound stage', 'transparency', 'noise floor', 'dynamic range', etc, and whenever the phone rang and an audiophile started asking about some piece of equipment, he'd spin the wheel of bullshit and whichever buzzword pointed at the phone, that would be the keyword for the entire conversation and his goal was to mention that keyword at least 10 times during the conversation.
You gotta love those audiophile types
Here... have a little giggle at this!
Yours for just £20,495.00
No... they're not talking about a high-end sound system for that money, they're talking about a fookin' power cable, that goes from the socket in your wall to the back of your hifi!
It's a fookin' power cable...
Nordost ODIN Power Cord
Never mind the 10p a foot wiring that you're plugging your 20 thousand quid power cable into, you can rest assured that the last few feet of wire will convert all that bad electricity into hifi friendly electricity... with chocolatey undertones
And here... have a 3m pair of £24,995.00 speaker cables to go with it
Nordost ODIN Speaker Cable
A friend of mine worked at the Audio Counsel in Manchester in the 80s, where he used to do his own 'blind testing'... well, sort of...
The shop sold all the best, high-end audio gear and was, therefore, always packed with audiophiles. One saturday, whilst recovering from a Friday night out, my friend decided to test a theory. He went into the audio room and swapped around some of the interconnects, etc, and waited for the usual audiophiles to come in and test the latest and greatest in cables, and from that day forward, every Saturday, he did the same thing and had a little giggle to himself as the audiophiles went into great depth to explain how much better these new cables were and how the placement on the sound stage was much better with these new interconnects, when in fact, instead of £300 bits of wire, they were actually listening to it through £10 bits of wire.
He also had a 'wheel of bullshit' thing beside the phone (kinda like a wheel of fortune thing). It was a piece of paper, cut into a circle and stabbed onto one of those sharp things that office desks used to have on them for holding paperwork. On the paper were all the usual audiophile buzzwords, like 'sound stage', 'transparency', 'noise floor', 'dynamic range', etc, and whenever the phone rang and an audiophile started asking about some piece of equipment, he'd spin the wheel of bullshit and whichever buzzword pointed at the phone, that would be the keyword for the entire conversation and his goal was to mention that keyword at least 10 times during the conversation.
You gotta love those audiophile types
What is a noise floor? 
(A general enquiry, not just aimed at the good doctor)
(A general enquiry, not just aimed at the good doctor)
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
This actually exists. It's the underlying level of background noise in a signal, below which information gets swamped. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_floorWhat is a noise floor?
(A general enquiry, not just aimed at the good doctor)
Rogue_Leader
Almost not completely ignorant.
I'm so happy that this thread is still going.
I thought it was what's under the soundstage (where the performance happens, allowing for headroom and dynamic ranges, with some transparency in the roof so you can see how bright and colourful the music is)
Rogue_Leader
Almost not completely ignorant.
I contacted What Hifi about this review:
http://www.whathifi.com/review/vertere-pulse-d-fi
"I just wanted to ask: are you not thoroughly ashamed of carrying this review? I'm afraid your reviews have lost all credibility with me now, and I won't be slow to alert others to this."
I'll post replies here.
http://www.whathifi.com/review/vertere-pulse-d-fi
"I just wanted to ask: are you not thoroughly ashamed of carrying this review? I'm afraid your reviews have lost all credibility with me now, and I won't be slow to alert others to this."
I'll post replies here.
tbtommyb
Well-Known Member
showing my ignorance of USB here: is it possible for some of the bits to not get across the cable? If something gets corrupted does it get resent like with TCP/IP?
fractionMan
Custom Title
Tcp resends lost packets. It does this because routing is uncertain and uses unreliable third parties.
A usb cable sends bits down a single wire without routing via third parties. It's completely different.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I am definitely going to make sure I go and see that.
It was on telly earlier, the reporter said you don't just hear the music, you hear the performance
tbtommyb
Well-Known Member
So I guess what I'm asking is what is the significance of USB being digital? Is it that absolutely everything makes it or absolutely nothing? Is it possible for information, for whatever reason in the wire, to get corrupted? If this happened, how would the receiving device know this?
Obviously the cable is bollocks because the track wouldn't play or maybe possibly would have bizarre artefacts, rather than sounding 'less joyful' or whatever. As I understand it an analogue signal outputted by a device will inevitably be slightly distorted by sending it down a cable, whereas for USB this wouldn't happen. But on a slight tangent I was wondering if corruptions could enter into the data-stream without detection.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
It was on telly earlier, the reporter said you don't just hear the music, you hear the performance
I don't care what some BBC reporter says. They've probably got a stupid ipod dock in their house. I will hear it for myself and then pronounce judgement.
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
A £5 Asda USB cable would have to be seriously damaged/degraded for the bits to "not make it through". It's a very robust standard. I just did a google and there's all sorts of hilarious audiophile bollocks about "jitter" and so on. It's nonsense. There are 44100 samples per second, each of 16 bits per channel. The exact timing of the transfer of those bits doesn't make the slightest bit of difference to how the playback device interprets them.
joustmaster
offcumdun
There are several different methods of sending data over USB. There is some sort of error checking/bit check to make sure all the data arrives, though. The speed of USB data transfer and PC processors and RAM is far far faster than the sound needs to be played. So even with a knackered cable and loads of interference, the data will arrive correctly.
A friend of a friend has completely isolated his whole house from the electrical grid and rewired the house with OFC cable. His sound room is a room within a room. All of his audio gear has been rebuilt, using the best 'audio grade capacitors' and everything in his sound room is spiked or isolated in some way. He's spent more money on his sounds than the house cost him, and he also buys into the £10k+ piece of wire thing... what a fookin' bellend
What's wrong with these people? They're intelligent enough to make enough money to spend the price of a house on a few pieces of wire but stupid enough to spend the price of a house on a few pieces of wire
What's wrong with these people? They're intelligent enough to make enough money to spend the price of a house on a few pieces of wire but stupid enough to spend the price of a house on a few pieces of wire
Rogue_Leader
Almost not completely ignorant.
A friend of a friend has completely isolated his whole house from the electrical grid and rewired the house with OFC cable. His sound room is a room within a room. All of his audio gear has been rebuilt, using the best 'audio grade capacitors' and everything in his sound room is spiked or isolated in some way. He's spent more money on his sounds than the house cost him, and he also buys into the £10k+ piece of wire thing... what a fookin' bellend
What's wrong with these people? They're intelligent enough to make enough money to spend the price of a house on a few pieces of wire but stupid enough to spend the price of a house on a few pieces of wire
You don't really need to be that bright to make money. Anyone can make money: all you have to do is care about absolutely nothing else.
joustmaster
offcumdun
the sad thing is that he has now spent so much money, he will never admit to being wrong about it.A friend of a friend has completely isolated his whole house from the electrical grid and rewired the house with OFC cable. His sound room is a room within a room. All of his audio gear has been rebuilt, using the best 'audio grade capacitors' and everything in his sound room is spiked or isolated in some way. He's spent more money on his sounds than the house cost him, and he also buys into the £10k+ piece of wire thing... what a fookin' bellend
What's wrong with these people? They're intelligent enough to make enough money to spend the price of a house on a few pieces of wire but stupid enough to spend the price of a house on a few pieces of wire
Rogue_Leader
Almost not completely ignorant.
http://www.custom-cable.co.uk/vertere-acoustics-pulse-r-double-usb-interconnect-cable.html
Just for a chuckle, select the 6m length.
Alarm bells should ring when you notice that despite the fact that you're buying their most expensive USB cable - which should mean that you're treated like the best customer they've ever seen - they still have the neck to charge you for delivery.
Just for a chuckle, select the 6m length.
Alarm bells should ring when you notice that despite the fact that you're buying their most expensive USB cable - which should mean that you're treated like the best customer they've ever seen - they still have the neck to charge you for delivery.
True... but I've spoken with this guy and apart from his snake oil stupidity, he seems fairly intelligent.
I tried to convince him he was a bellend but he was having none of it. He even tried to convince me that his cables were directional
8ball
Decolonise colons!
You just have to have the kind of moral flexibility that involves selling people a bit of wire for ten grand.
But you'd surely need to be able to, at least, count all of your toes? How can anyone with the mental capacity to count all of their toes be stupid enough to pay 20 grand for a bit of wire?
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Because the 20 grand bit of wire confirms their superior status in both earning power and being able to appreciate sound in a way that others can't. Nothing makes people dumber than ego, even smart people.
Good point, well made.
Come to think of it, I grew up with a lad who used to buy the most expensive of everything, and not only could he not wait to tell everyone how much he paid for it, he always bought it at the most expensive place he could find, and made sure everyone was aware of that
bubblesmcgrath
Well-Known Member
Bummer for them if they ever go deaf
And before anyone starts at me for joking....I'm hard of hearing myself.
