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Do you consider yourself an audiophile?

Are you an audiophile?

  • Yes

    Votes: 32 13.7%
  • No

    Votes: 84 36.1%
  • Audiophiles are deluded bullshitters

    Votes: 117 50.2%

  • Total voters
    233
Hmmm Joe Beck & Ali Ryerson @ 128kbps are showing 0.5dB difference in the left channel, and both subjects chose the louder one and got it wrong ..... hmmm .... damn you and your sense talking, bees!!! :D
 
FFS! :facepalm:
I don't disagree with using Neutrik plugs and sockets (them and Switchcraft are nicely robust), and cable with a decent shield is good too, but £77 for a metre-long cable? Get away to fuck!!! :eek:
A tenner, tops!
you cheapskate, it is just that you cannot hear the improvement in tonal range and the extra sharpness and crisp that these beautiful cables bring, well worth it imo, in fact I'd go as far as saying that they're a right bargain as anyone using them is guaranteed to chart at number one.
 
i can't even tell the difference between 128 and 320 kbps and am convinced everyone is insane about it.
mind you, i only listen to music via earphones these days
 
you cheapskate, it is just that you cannot hear the improvement in tonal range and the extra sharpness and crisp that these beautiful cables bring, well worth it imo, in fact I'd go as far as saying that they're a right bargain as anyone using them is guaranteed to chart at number one.

So, you're not using them either, then? :D :D
 
I did the bitrate comparison test using a set of in ear monitors and it was fairly obvious. I did it again using my laptops built in speakers and I couldn't hear any difference, even though I then knew which was which.

The volume difference one was easy though.
 
i listened through my earbuds. a friend said 'listen to the hi-hats, they sound really harsh and phasey on the 128 one. also the bass is much flabbier.' but that sounds like gobbledegook to me
 
In other words you guessed

Well guessing should come out as 50% correct answers, which is sort of difficult given there's 3 questions :p but yeah, I agree, it isn't the best test...

As far as the mp3 test goes... I didn't 'guess', that implies that I chose randomly.
 
Well guessing should come out as 50% correct answers, which is sort of difficult given there's 3 questions :p but yeah, I agree, it isn't the best test...

As far as the mp3 test goes... I didn't 'guess', that implies that I chose randomly.
there were only 2 options! :confused:
 
I've been conducting listening tests as part of my dissertation, and two young individuals who show general acuity/ skill across all previous tests were able to identify mp3's about two thirds of the time. They were tested 30 times, using 10 different samples of music, each encoded at 3 bit rates: 128kbps, 192kbps, and and 256 kbps.

Neither of them did better at 128kbps, they both did best at 256kbps. I would have expected/ hoped they'd do better at the 128kbps bit rate.... it looks like 128kbps is actually really rather good!! :( :D
If it isn't a diversion, what was your research question? What analyses are you intending to run on your data?
 
@OU: Sorry, thought you were talking about the loudness difference test.

The research question was: 'Does hearing acuity and listening skill vary between individuals?' and the aim was to identify the most skilled listener in a group of subjects. Unfortunately I'm not a huge fan of statistics :( (lol) so most of my analysis is going to pretty simple...
 
Your mate is right. Those are the frequencies that are compressed. Not surprisingly he didn't mention the mid range parts sounding different.
 
Any musician worthy of the label would want to "get to number one" on their own merits, not because of their triple seal-greased OFC cables, surely?
I mean, obviously U2 use the cables, but that's not really a recommendation, is it? :)
Ah well, I'm a drummer so it's OK, I just need to find a way to use them to get there, then again, if U2 uses them I might just have to pass
 
Your mate is right. Those are the frequencies that are compressed. Not surprisingly he didn't mention the mid range parts sounding different.

That's not to say that the mid band isn't compressed, because it is. It just seems that the bass and the treble show the most audible compression artefacts.

And yeah, I mentioned the mp3 test, but there's a link to a loudness test there, which I also did.
 
That's not to say that the mid band isn't compressed, because it is. It just seems that the bass and the treble show the most audible compression artefacts.

And yeah, I mentioned the mp3 test, but there's a link to a loudness test there, which I also did.

Well everything that ends up on a cd is compressed also. Because full range of frequencies fuck hi-fis up. 320kbps applies the same level of compression as what is applied to CDs iirc.
 
Well everything that ends up on a cd is compressed also. Because full range of frequencies fuck hi-fis up. 320kbps applies the same level of compression as what is applied to CDs iirc.

I think you may be confusing data rate compression with dynamic range compression?

And what do you mean by 'full range of frequencies fuck hi-fis up'?
 
I think you may be confusing data rate compression with dynamic range compression?

And what do you mean by 'full range of frequencies fuck hi-fis up'?

Yeah i think i was. Well i was led to believe that you use reference monitors in a studio environment as hi-fi speakers can't cope with the full dynamic range and the music is compressed in post production for that reason; but i'm happy to be corrected if that belief is mistaken.
 
If a signal contains frequencies which given speakers or headphones are unable to reproduce, then if you try and reproduce those signals on those speakers/ headphones they will not be damaged, the only bad thing that will happen is that you will not hear those frequencies being reproduced.

Music being compressed at the mastering stage is a whole other issue, and in some ways does relate to normal listening situations where a full dynamic range might sound weak or quiet. The loudness war plays a big part in it.
 
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