Do you consider yourself an audiophile?
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beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
BTW, the idea of speakers "warming up" is utter bollocks as well.
Bassism
Follow the yellow brick road
This is true. Who pays for top kit and expects to have to warm it up lol not the sound co i work for. IME its the club that warms up and maybe then if your a perfectionist you might have to ramp up the boom power slightly cos the air becomes humid and the sound doesn't travel as easy. Simples
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Would like to see you try and use this line of argument elsewhere on U75, for example to defend journalists vs internet politics geeks
Garek
Living n ADDled chaos
No I am not. If you want to be a wanker there are cheaper ways.
I generally think the more money you spend, the less you get back. I had a Marantz system yonks ago which was a lovely replacement for the shitty generic hi-fi system I had before, which seemed to have more flashing lights than Las Vegas. That made sense. Stuff like this makes no sense to me. Spending hundreds of pounds on a glorified kettle cord is madness.
The most money I spent recently on something audio related was £80 on a pair of headphones. Worth it as the sound is brilliant. But it still feels like a lot of money to spend.
I hate What Hi-Fi. It is a load of wank.
I generally think the more money you spend, the less you get back. I had a Marantz system yonks ago which was a lovely replacement for the shitty generic hi-fi system I had before, which seemed to have more flashing lights than Las Vegas. That made sense. Stuff like this makes no sense to me. Spending hundreds of pounds on a glorified kettle cord is madness.
The most money I spent recently on something audio related was £80 on a pair of headphones. Worth it as the sound is brilliant. But it still feels like a lot of money to spend.
I hate What Hi-Fi. It is a load of wank.
gavman
pj slumpy
so when setting up a pa, you run it as hard as possible straight away?
that must get expensive.
gavman
pj slumpy
Then why do sound engineers, people who really do know how to listen (and are paid to do so), think that audiophiles are utter cocks?
Try posting this shite on ProSoundWeb and see how far you get
so why do engineers love the sound of quad equipment?
why do mastering studios have such expensive speakers?
is it so they can..you know...hear more clearly?
gavman
pj slumpy
congratulations you have discovered the law of diminishing returns. it's fairly universal
bi0boy
Power User
How else can you get "sharp, detailed images" and "convincing skin tones" from a Harry Potter movie?
gavman
pj slumpy
so where does this lead?
do all speakers sound the same?
do all amps?
what about different amp and speaker combinations, are the differences between them imagined? do some amps work better with some speakers?
what would you call someone who thinks one system might sound better than another. wrong?
do all speakers sound the same?
do all amps?
what about different amp and speaker combinations, are the differences between them imagined? do some amps work better with some speakers?
what would you call someone who thinks one system might sound better than another. wrong?
gavman
pj slumpy
Then why do sound engineers, people who really do know how to listen (and are paid to do so), think that audiophiles are utter cocks?
Try posting this shite on ProSoundWeb and see how far you get
i bought my current speakers and power amp from the lighthouse mastering studio in w london. the owner of the studio is an audiophile, as well as being a sound engineer. i have also sold kit to sound engineers
you sir, are the shite talking cock. not all engineers are audiophiles, but many are. try some of the hifi forums and you will see
Nope. I tend to listen to most music on my Ipod now and truth be told, could really do with some better earphones. Years ago, wen in habit of buying CDs regularly, had a good but not bootique separates system, Technics, Sony, Marantze, Jammos. Til they got nicked. Have a second hand Pioneer stereo now, for when I use CD. Never been into vinal. PC is connected to a couple of Alesis monitors as I record a bit. Sound quality is important and I should spend more time mixing the occasional stuff I churn out. But to me, atmosphere, good stereo separation and balance are more important than obsessing over pure signal paths and unaffordable gear.
Mind you, I'd love to be able to set up my system for surround sound mixing.
Mind you, I'd love to be able to set up my system for surround sound mixing.
editor
hiraethified
What are you on about? Do you think new PA systems blow up unless you take them for a gentle audio journey first, starting with some ambient bands, moving up to folk, then pop, and eventually working your way up to heavy metal?
gavman
pj slumpy
i've been guilty of blowing a drive unit some brand new transmission line speakers because i ran too hard too soon. really embarrassing cos i'd just sold the speakers and was setting them up in the customer's house
gavman
pj slumpy
the thing i obsess over is placement of speakers within the listening room.
if i see a home interior, on tv for example, and i see the speakers are the same distance, from the same wall, and a seat at the point of a triangle midway between, i think 'audiophile'.
doesn't matter so much what the kit is, it's how you set the room up.
gavman
pj slumpy
at the heart of what i'm on about is how my own speakers behave. i will admit to never having experienced this to such an extent with my previous domestic speakers, other than brand new drive units not being run in or, or with the collective's pa (aka the stack)
i leave my electronics switched on at all times. the pre-amp is valve and the power amp is solid state. yet there is a really clear change (for the better) in the sound that takes place after 2-3 hours of running, one of which is that it becomes 'louder' at the same volume settings. this is especially noticeable if you are sitting outside- the max volume i will run at sounds too quiet to begin with, but after a couple of hours we can hear the music clearly from where we are sitting, at the same setting on the amp
whenever i begin a music session i will play for an hour at one below usual my setting, then increase. after an hour there, i can go up one more if i wish, and an hour later one more to my max setting. it just sounds rough, shouty and coarse if i turn it up too quickly.
i don't know if this is a by-product of the passive crossovers they employ, rather than the speakers themselves, but i feel it is the latter.
it's an effect that's evident of every system i've ever listened to, but not so pronounced, and i'd previously put it down to power amps warming up
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hiraethified
I've never seen a PA system coming with instructions that the speakers must be gently 'warmed up' otherwise they'll blow up in normal use.
gavman
pj slumpy
lots of people who've spent fortunes upgrading to surround sound find that stereo is the best for music. i've never compared like for like, so wouldn't know. but the grass might not really be greener
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hiraethified
Not really sure why I need to chat to 'jak the stack' (whoever he is) about this. You do know I regularly do live sound engineering, have my own PA system and run clubs, yes? And you know Bees runs monster rigs? I'd really listen to what he says, you know.the sound guys said you could turn it up halfway through the night. since you visit leviticus sound why not ask jak the stack? he still builds the leviticus system. afaik, and he designed the stack. he also goes to beautiful days, i think. you've probably chatted already
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hiraethified
You suggested that speakers would blow up if they weren't 'warmed up'.
Are you still sticking to that claim?
gavman
pj slumpy
i didn't say that at all. your words 'blown up'. i said it might get expensive, see above
gavman
pj slumpy
even when he says something blatantly untrue, like all sound engineers think audiophiles are cocks?
like i said, i've bought and sold equipment from sound engineers, and a mastering engineer is my hifi 'guru'. i'm not disagreeing about something i know nothing about, nor am i claiming to know better than he or you about pa's. but i will ask again, do they warm up?
and the only reason i mention jak the stak was he was the one who told me this and a vague spirit of friendliness
gavman
pj slumpy
Thanks for that typically gavman reply that has fuck all to do with what I was replying to, which didn't mention blind comparisons.
Oh, and only 10 months after I made the point, too!
in the past i admit, i have been guilty of showing you too much respect.
regarding blind comparisons, that is how you filter out subjective prejudices, the like of which your post was addressing
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hiraethified
And exactly why might it get 'expensive' then?
