Diane Abbott suspended as Labour MP.

[StakerOne]

Anyway, I think we’ve done this thread now. The consensus, if I may, is:

A. Abbot’s letter was wrong about antisemitism and anti GRT racism.
B. It was a baffling decision to send it, given the recent history Corbynistas had with public relations over antisemitism.
C. Starmer has predictably used it as an opportunity to push her out, in contrast with how people closer to him in the party are treated over similar and worse.
D. Starmer’s party has a racism problem.
E. Some boring crypto bro is crayoning over all the threads.

Your name's not Bob, no one is going to take your Es.

 

[Pickman's model]

Are we at least in agreement that people who haven't given it a moments thought, aren't unhinged racists?

Would you also agree that someone who sees you as a racist for being an anti-capitalist because of your refusal to capitalise the word "Black" when being used to discuss Black people, would be mad or bad?

I used capitals. I guess that makes me a capitalist.

people who haven't given it a moment's thought shouldn't be summoned to your aid as you've done above
if you read my posts instead of looking at them and guessing what they mean then you wouldn't make such an abject arse of yourself by posing a question founded on a great pile of bollocks

 

[danny la rouge]

Your name's not Bob, no one is going to take your Es.

I haven’t got the slightest idea what that means, and I’ve never taken any Es.

 

[eatmorecheese]

I haven’t got the slightest idea what that means, and I’ve never taken any Es.

A Bob Holness Blockbusters reference. Not that this adds much clarity tbh.

 

[Pickman's model]

Your name's not Bob, no one is going to take your Es.

you're taking the p tho

 

[Tanya1982]

Simplistically and historically, White people’s tans became fashionable when it became associated with wealth and leisure time, whilst attempts by Black people to appear lighter would be directly linked to racism and colourism.

I say historically because in regards to the first point, there is an argument that certain physical aspects of Blackness are currently superficially trendy, which leads to cultural appropriation and is it Blackfishing (?) by some White people. Arianda Grande has been accused of this iirc.

Yes, that’s right. Before then a tan was a marker of rural manual labour - instant sign of some poor agricultural person who had to spend all weathers toiling in the fields. Coco Chanel popularised it, and it’s been fashionable ever since. Urbanisation had, by then, put the bulk of the poor into a different context, which the rural poor had begun to look actively healthy in comparison to so the original negative connotation had got lost. There isn’t a race angle to the fashion for looking tanned. Tanned white people don’t look like anything other than tanned white people (and sometimes orange if they don’t do it well). They (we) aren’t doing it to look non white.

 

[StakerOne]

people who haven't given it a moment's thought shouldn't be summoned to your aid as you've done above
if you read my posts instead of looking at them and guessing what they mean then you wouldn't make such an abject arse of yourself by posing a question founded on a great pile of bollocks

Are you seriously implying that when those Brits who haven't given it a moments thought, are going to agree with the likes of the Associated Press and The Atlantic and would jump straight into imported culture war by siding with the woke left?

 

[Tanya1982]

A quick google proves you wrong. Most of the internet would either capitalise both "White" and "Black" or not at all.

You would have a point if there was a pattern of behaviour where someone was routinely capitalisizing "White" but not "Black".

It is general human nature to aspire to fairness so it comes natural to most to capitalise both or neither.

This capitalisation bollocks is a culture war imported from the United States by the Associated Press and I'm having none of it because I'm not a devisive and racist woke fuckwit. I've never seen such disgusting token gesture poltiics in all of my life.

Not a credible claim, no matter what your view might be.

 

[ouirdeaux]

Once you're tired of dicussing upper and lower case, you can discuss the hyphen in anti(-)semitism. I'm not making this up -- it's an issue with some people. Oh yes.

Or we can put aside these potentially interesting but highly theoretical discussions for the present, and decline to be sidetracked by a dullish dickhead.

 

[StakerOne]

Once you're tired of dicussing upper and lower case, you can discuss the hyphen in anti(-)semitism. I'm not making this up -- it's an issue with some people. Oh yes.

Or we can put aside these potentially interesting but highly theoretical discussions for the present, and decline to be sidetracked by a dullish dickhead.

I didn't start it, on or off this forum.

The associated press imported the capitalisation wars, then someone who I shall not name but best not ignored, then challenged me merely for using a capital "W" in "White".

I answered and all I got in response was insults no matter how much I tried to de-esculate or bring the thread on topic.

I'm not Jewish, I have no problems with Jews (or any other demographic apart from the middle class liberals) so I've never been involved in hyphen wars.

I'd thank you, but I'd rather not, considering that you've helped keep us off topic, with a personal insult.

I didn't realise that anti-racism or or alledged racism was supposed to be stimulating or entertaining. Maybe I don't lead the privileged life that you do, where everything is for one's enjoyment.

 

[Pickman's model]

I didn't start it, on or off this forum.

The associated press imported the capitalisation wars, then someone who I shall not name but best not ignored, then challenged me merely for using a capital "W" in "White".

I answered and all I got in response was insults no matter how much I tried to de-esculate or bring the thread on topic.

I'm not Jewish, I have no problems with Jews (or any other demographic apart from the middle class liberals) so I've never been involved in hyphen wars.

I'd thank you, but I'd rather not, considering that you've helped keep us off topic, with a personal insult.

I didn't realise that anti-racism or or alledged racism was supposed to be stimulating or entertaining. Maybe I don't lead the privileged life that you do, where everything is for one's enjoyment.

you've not just had insults, there's been contempt and disdain and mockery too.

 

[StakerOne]

you've not just had insults, there's been contempt and disdain and mockery too.

Thanks and all of those too. I knew at some point you'd back me up.

 

[Pickman's model]

Are you seriously implying that when those Brits who haven't given it a moments thought, are going to agree with the likes of the Associated Press and The Atlantic and would jump straight into imported culture war by siding with the woke left?

you seem to be missing something in this post which would make it make sense

 

[Pickman's model]

Thanks and all of those too. I knew at some point you'd back me up.

yeh but you're making out those are bad things

 

[T & P]

I haven’t got the slightest idea what that means, and I’ve never taken any Es.

It's never too late, don't miss on the fun!

 

[StakerOne]

yeh but you're making out those are bad things

In isolation, I couldn't give a fuck.

But being the rather cuddly, fluffy and the nice human being that I am, I'm merely helping people out when they complain about the thread being off topic.

I'm being attacked for critisizing Labour while being right wing.

Labour is racist.

Left wingers can say that. No problem.

I say it and left wingers have a big problem.

 

[JimW]

For our younger viewers, a gill is five fluid ounces, and is a quarter of a pint or 142ml.

For those of you in black and white, it's just behind the pink.

 

[ska invita]

It's not about vitamin D which you don't need to sunbathe for. It's a class issue, as mentioned by Agent Sparrow. But now it's not even that, it's about appearance and the trope that a tan looks healthier than pale skin, and I think a degree of colourism plays into this trope.

The fact tans can be considered a class issue in some certain circumstances is not relevant to this discussion - we are talking about racist discrimination here.
The fact in some very particular instances its possible to consider aspects of skin tone politics of tans in relation to class does not negate the dominant hierarchy of racisms that predominantly surrounds colourism, other than that "race" is a "classification" that then structurally can take on an economic class position
To say "what about tans" comes across to me as being deaf to that

 

[StakerOne]

The fact tans can be considered a class issue in some certain circumstances is not relevant to this discussion - we are talking about racist discrimination here.
The fact in some very particular instances its possible to consider aspects of skin tone politics of tans in relation to class does not negate the dominant hierarchy of racisms that predominantly surrounds colourism, other than that "race" is a "classification" that then structurally can take on an economic class position
To say "what about tans" comes across to me as being deaf to that

What if one is a racist who wants to keep the status-quo in terms of equity?

What if one actually wanted the workers colour coded so that those doing the manual jobs aren't White but with a disproportionate amount of the well paid jobs are taken up by White people?

I'd push for equality of outcome so that non-White people are represented by the likes of Diane Abbot in the corridors of power, with as many well paid jobs are filled up with non-White people who aren't competent while not recruiting (or selecting) the non-Whites that are, branding anyone who can see through the whole charade as a "racist" or an "Uncle Tom" depending on their skin colour.

 

[danny la rouge]

What if one is a racist who wants to keep the status-quo in terms of equity?

What if one actually wanted the workers colour coded so that those doing the manual jobs aren't White but with a disproportionate amount of the well paid jobs are taken up by White people?

I'd push for equality of outcome so that non-White people are represented by the likes of Diane Abbot in the corridors of power, with as many well paid jobs are filled up with non-White people who aren't competent while not recruiting (or selecting) the non-Whites that are, branding anyone who can see through the whole charade as a "racist" or an "Uncle Tom" depending on their skin colour.

I’d push for you getting a perma ban.

 

[StakerOne]

I’d push for you getting a perma ban.

You know where the ignore button is. As do I. You're on ignore.

 

[cupid_stunt]

The associated press imported the capitalisation wars..

What do you even mean by this?

 

[StakerOne]

What do you even mean by this?

Do your own research. I've exposed their racism and now you want me to promote it? No.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Do your own research.

Classic.

I've exposed their racism and now you want me to promote it? No.

I very doubt many people in the UK read the associated press website, so I haven't a clue what you are on about.

 

[Pickman's model]

I’d push for you getting a perma ban.

not long enough

 

[StakerOne]

not long enough

>>> Health, Relationships & Sexuality

Please try and keep it on topic. Ta mate.

 

[ouirdeaux]

I very doubt many people in the UK read the associated press website, so I haven't a clue what you are on about.

How ungrateful can you get? You didn't even know that we were under threat from the AP website, and now you treat with contumely the hero who has fought his valiant battle to save you from it.

 

[JimW]

What do you even mean by this?

They published a style guide which for some reason this prick thinks is the crime of the century.

 

[Pickman's model]

Please try and keep it on topic. Ta mate.

you don't do context, do you. and you've great difficulty with intelligible posts:

Are you seriously implying that when those Brits who haven't given it a moments thought, are going to agree with the likes of the Associated Press and The Atlantic and would jump straight into imported culture war by siding with the woke left?

 

[planetgeli]

contumely

At last something has come out of this crap. I learnt a new word. Ta.